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explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night last night now your electrifying

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hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

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Begley and team sports let's go let's go

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let's go before they get it slowed down

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where wherever we go Aidan who's trying

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to get us wait come in come on come on

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jump to the scar gate just ahead so we

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can get out of here before the KGB grabs

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our asses and ships us off to Siberia Oh

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welcome to North Korea huh

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you're crazy the KGB there hasn't been a

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KGB since the collapse of the Soviet

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Union well there is this parallel

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universe that's what we get for reveled

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viewing so let's jump through the

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Stargate now before it's too late all

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right Casey our video here we come

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look out data oh boy oh boy I guess

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we're back on is this solid ground or am

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I just

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rocking back and forth there sorry Tina

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I didn't mean to step on your dog's tail

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yeah well I think that was that was a

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close that was a close call these the

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the the stargates and the Russians and

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and all this stuff that's going on you

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know we're no viewing I I don't know do

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you think it could be a kind of a

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dangerous thing to get involved in could

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be yeah it all depends on the amount you

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know if you believe in the espionage and

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and things like that you know a lot of

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people if you bring up the subject of

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remote viewing you know they'll say oh

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CIA claimed that it was all fake and

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that you know they tried it and it

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didn't work so they just gave it up but

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CIA claims that they tried something and

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didn't work and they gave it up that

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probably means that it's still active

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well I I remember my my old friend there

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uri geller was doing there some remote

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viewing and maybe even a little spying

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or or something who knows what was going

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on there but enough for this here

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because we have two guests tonight who

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certainly are better informed than we

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are when it comes to remote viewing

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that's right well and I'm so happy that

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we were able to get these two gentlemen

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with us tonight we have with us Brett

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Stewart and Lance munguia now Brett

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Brett Stewart is the founder of

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technical institution and online wrote

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viewing an institution video training

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platform and Brett's also the author of

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the book remote viewing the complete

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guide now brett has a background in

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digital art and political science and he

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began researching the field of remote

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viewing ten years ago after experiencing

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several as he called it reality breaking

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events in his life now this led him to

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investigate areas of meditation

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commonly called revealing and in 2012 he

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was invited to train with a renowned

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member of the now Declassified remote

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viewing military unit now Brett recently

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remote viewing associations conference

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outbound err experiment coaches hundreds

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his technical institution YouTube

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channel now Brett's currently focused on

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sharing practical applications of

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and let's see I guess in on marts

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workshop on how to access deep

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institution to harness your intent and

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attract positive outcomes in your life

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which employs many of the practices used

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by successful remote viewers also with

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us tonight is Lance Roy yeah now Lance

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he's also the co-creator of waking

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universe a multimedia television film

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and merchandise company designed to

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foster a more conscious planet now his

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most recent project is third eye spies a

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feature documentary about the CIA funded

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Russell Targ at Stanford University

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documentary features CIA insider

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program's declassification about how

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psychics reached into the one into one

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of the most secret facilities of the

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world as well Lance is the director of

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the film six string Samurai and

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co-writer director of the crow wicked

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prayer for dimension films so gentlemen

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thank you very much for being with us

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tonight on exploring the bizarre great

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to be here thanks for having us it's a

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pleasure to be here well we're we're all

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interested in the subject I know have

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them remote viewing or out of the body

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experiences I I kind of tend to lump the

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two together but I know remote viewing

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other ways would you say a breath that

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when you use when you're doing remote

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viewing you you start out to to project

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and and to get into finding a particular

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subject yes

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remote viewing one of the kind of

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cornerstones for how it works is that

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exactly and so this is why typically you

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work with a team there's a project

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manager who decides what they want to

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have the team work with take a look at

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and then all the viewers have no idea

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what the remote viewing they're totally

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blind and they just get into their

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session work and it's ultimately really

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structured attention management skill

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and what it is when you adjust your

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perception your attention in a specific

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through a series of steps there seems to

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be this uncanny human ability to be able

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whether that's in the future or in the

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past so it's this is why it became and

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this is something that Lance's films

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entire film is it not being released and

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the top ten right away because you know

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night now I don't know whether this was

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doing the dream a period or remote

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anything along the line of I guess

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embarrassed to say this I did know Ingo

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Swann to the extent that often he said

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terrible I feel terribly embarrassed

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about that he was kind of a quiet

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individual and and I guess maybe I was

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pretty quiet too but he would come to

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our meetings I was on the board of

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directors of the New York 14 Society

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which John keel was the director of and

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realize who he was at that you know

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point I mean I knew he was into remote

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wasn't really that familiar with his

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abilities yeah tell people who in go was

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painting at the smithsonian's you know

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he you know a ships off Sagittarius is

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you know I was actually you know was

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displayed at the Smithsonian Institute

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but then he also was considered one of

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the world's greatest psychics you know

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and and the reason for that was because

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you know he's often called the father of

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remote viewing you know which of course

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is as Brett so you know well-well said

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is a skill that you can basically use

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your mind and and only your mind to see

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things that are hidden outside of space

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and time you know and and originally he

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Institute by Russell Targ and in help

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put off Russell being the producer of

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our film and they were doing the

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standard kind of card tricks like you

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would see in ghostbusters you know like

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guess what's on the back of the card

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thing and an Ingo being a very sort of

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ambitious person and and and you know he

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didn't really suffer you know things

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lightly he said why are you making me

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look at cards this is this is silly

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I can see anywhere on the planet give me

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something better look at and and you

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know Howlin Russell kind of smirked and

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the you know the assistant out to go get

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coffee on on breaks and if on the break

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you want to tell us where he is that's

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that's great you know so so Ingo started

274
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basically describing the location where

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the assistant was out getting coffee and

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they both kind of like went whoa well

277
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how far does this go and and and they

278
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kind of took that thread and run with it

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and and at that time you know the the

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government and and even in in the public

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sphere

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you know people knew that the Soviets

283
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were really studying this phenomenon of

284
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psychic abilities and and not even not

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even studying it but but the reports

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coming back were that there were

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probably seventy different laboratories

288
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all over the Soviet Union using psychic

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ability psychic abilities and in pique

290
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actively you know as a tool of

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intelligence and and so that freaked

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them out and an Ingo basically started

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SSRI

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down this path of using remote viewing

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and and it turns out he was really

296
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really good at it you know in fact he

297
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could even see other places in the solar

298
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system he could he did he go to the moon

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or something one time I think well he

300
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wrote a book called penetration which

301
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which had him remote view stuff on the

302
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moon but in in a laboratory setting he

303
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actually they tasked him with seeing

304
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Jupiter about six months before pioneer

305
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got their pioneer being the first probe

306
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that ever actually you know went out

307
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into that area of space so so nobody on

308
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earth knew what they were gonna find on

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Jupiter and and and Ingo starts

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describing things like crystal ice rings

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around you know the planet and and right

312
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away Russell and Hal went well you know

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this guy's got it wrong he's looking at

314
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Saturn he's not looking at Jupiter

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Saturn's the one with the the big rings

316
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you can see on a telescope and and you

317
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know lingo says no no this is really you

318
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know there's rings around it and he gave

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other kind of geographical features of

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the planet and about six months later

321
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pioneer got there and one of the first

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things they discovered was there were

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very faint ice rings around the planet

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and and Ingo Swann got that right before

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anyone on earth even knew that it was

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possible now what what year are we

327
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talking about when there was this kind

328
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of a war between the the Soviets and any

329
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the US as far as remote viewing goes are

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we talking about the late 60s early 70s

331
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you know the reports coming out of the

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Soviet Union in the 1960s and there was

333
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a really good book written around that

334
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time called psychic discoveries behind

335
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the Iron Curtain

336
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yeah oh yeah and and and that that

337
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actually really shook up the US

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intelligence committee I'm sorry

339
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community and and they thought that this

340
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was just sort of Russian propaganda they

341
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didn't believe it you know so so they

342
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basically said well you know we think

343
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this is a bunch of bunk but the reports

344
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coming back over that decade and into

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the 70s you know by the time 1974 came

346
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around they were very worried because

347
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there were many many serious people in

348
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the Soviet Union taking this seriously

349
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they were they were

350
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screening every draft age you know in

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the visual that came into the Soviet

352
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Army for certain traits to see if they

353
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might be good to use in their in their

354
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sy experiments at one point so so they

355
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trying to find the location of missile

356
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silos and things like that is that part

357
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of what the attempt on both sides were

358
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you know they used it for all kinds of

359
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things I'm sure that Bret could tell you

360
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I mean it you can use remote viewing for

361
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for just about anything you know and you

362
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know but the but immediately they didn't

363
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believe it was real so so the the US

364
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wasn't using it for anything the the the

365
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Soviets you know it's come out in in a

366
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book that Ed May wrote called ESP Wars

367
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that the Soviets were using it for all

368
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kinds of things for instance they would

369
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look at a u.s. satellite and and they

370
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would remotely like you know psychically

371
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have a person go in there and draw the

372
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schematic of what the entire interior of

373
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the satellite looked like so that they

374
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could copy the design things like that

375
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you know just never never a hundred

376
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percent I mean I think the audience

377
00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:17,290
needs to really be aware that remote

378
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viewing is not a sure bet I mean it's

379
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it's it's using your imagination it's

380
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using consciousness and consciousness is

381
00:17:27,390 --> 00:17:24,730
very fickle you know it's not it's not

382
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absolute but it but you know the CIA

383
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calls calls it human intelligence you

384
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know which which is you know full of

385
00:17:37,350 --> 00:17:35,830
errors it's it's a human ability but

386
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they understand that because you know

387
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they can at least glean things and then

388
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use what they glean from the remote

389
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viewers to compare to the rest of the

390
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intelligence that they have and then

391
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determine whether or not there's

392
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validity to it yeah I think one of the

393
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things also

394
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I mean Ingo Swann I mean he was an

395
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absolutely amazing naturally gifted

396
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psychic and you know as far as a little

397
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bit more even about his background I

398
00:18:03,660 --> 00:18:01,030
mean he's definitely every remote viewer

399
00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:03,670
that I don't knows who he is considered

400
00:18:08,670 --> 00:18:06,730
the father of remote viewing and and I

401
00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:08,680
think it was even in your film lands

402
00:18:12,450 --> 00:18:10,720
where you had a little snippet or maybe

403
00:18:14,490 --> 00:18:12,460
isn't one of the the other the clips of

404
00:18:16,650 --> 00:18:14,500
it but one of the things that really got

405
00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:16,660
the intelligence community's attention

406
00:18:21,420 --> 00:18:20,410
with Ingo Swann was the Magno meter no

407
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no I think that's how you say it

408
00:18:24,310 --> 00:18:23,260
the Magno kilometer magnetometer

409
00:18:28,110 --> 00:18:24,320
experiment

410
00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:28,120
how put off Adam do which was as this

411
00:18:34,300 --> 00:18:30,890
magnetometer is this buried in steel and

412
00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:34,310
cement device that's not supposed to be

413
00:18:38,470 --> 00:18:36,650
affected by anything I think except

414
00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:38,480
neutrinos I mean I could be wrong

415
00:18:43,330 --> 00:18:40,640
yeah it's it's measuring like very rare

416
00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:43,340
particles right you know and and it's

417
00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:46,160
it's it was buried you know hundreds of

418
00:18:51,550 --> 00:18:48,650
feet below Stanford University right and

419
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and Ingo claimed that he could move

420
00:18:54,790 --> 00:18:53,060
things with his mind and they you know

421
00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:54,800
this is not remote viewing it's more on

422
00:18:59,350 --> 00:18:57,410
the pique side but right but the you

423
00:19:01,150 --> 00:18:59,360
know he perturbed that magnetometer and

424
00:19:02,470 --> 00:19:01,160
basically broke the experiment and

425
00:19:05,170 --> 00:19:02,480
almost got help put off kicked out of

426
00:19:07,180 --> 00:19:05,180
Stanford right and but the thing that

427
00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:07,190
was interesting that he said when he was

428
00:19:10,330 --> 00:19:08,720
doing this is like you know they said

429
00:19:13,180 --> 00:19:10,340
well it's in the it's in the cement in

430
00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:13,190
Ingo told him he's like well how am I

431
00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:15,050
supposed to affect it if I can't see it

432
00:19:19,330 --> 00:19:17,090
and so they kind of were baffled by that

433
00:19:21,790 --> 00:19:19,340
statement and he's like okay well let me

434
00:19:24,130 --> 00:19:21,800
draw it so he gets a little piece of

435
00:19:26,590 --> 00:19:24,140
paper on the table and he draw as the

436
00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:26,600
schematic of this class highly highly

437
00:19:32,590 --> 00:19:29,330
classified device perfect schematic of

438
00:19:34,930 --> 00:19:32,600
what's in the cement and that I mean the

439
00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:34,940
I believe it was the CI Intelligence

440
00:19:38,770 --> 00:19:37,610
Agency that skill is what they were

441
00:19:40,570 --> 00:19:38,780
interested in they weren't so much

442
00:19:42,550 --> 00:19:40,580
interested as much as in like ooh you

443
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:42,560
can move a needle through cement they

444
00:19:47,050 --> 00:19:45,290
were interested in information gathering

445
00:19:48,910 --> 00:19:47,060
and ultimately that's what the real

446
00:19:51,670 --> 00:19:48,920
power of remote viewing is that you can

447
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:51,680
collect information about a distant

448
00:19:56,830 --> 00:19:54,650
target and a lot of that information is

449
00:19:58,960 --> 00:19:56,840
going to be correct mm-hmm

450
00:20:01,900 --> 00:19:58,970
yeah it's gonna it's going to be correct

451
00:20:03,580 --> 00:20:01,910
and and the thing too about the CIA was

452
00:20:05,710 --> 00:20:03,590
you know Brett you actually actually

453
00:20:10,090 --> 00:20:05,720
that's absolutely correct they were

454
00:20:12,610 --> 00:20:10,100
interested in the incoming inflow of

455
00:20:14,410 --> 00:20:12,620
information while the Soviet Union was

456
00:20:17,410 --> 00:20:14,420
far more interested in the sort of

457
00:20:19,570 --> 00:20:17,420
outbound use of psychic ability so right

458
00:20:21,250 --> 00:20:19,580
right they were much more interested in

459
00:20:23,500 --> 00:20:21,260
like sort of the whole sort of typical

460
00:20:25,150 --> 00:20:23,510
men who stare at goats type stuff where

461
00:20:28,660 --> 00:20:25,160
you know can I actually affect a

462
00:20:30,610 --> 00:20:28,670
person's heartbeat can I actually you

463
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:30,620
know um implant a thought in someone's

464
00:20:34,420 --> 00:20:32,570
head and make them do something maybe

465
00:20:36,430 --> 00:20:34,430
that they normally wouldn't do you know

466
00:20:37,930 --> 00:20:36,440
so that was there and according to US

467
00:20:39,730 --> 00:20:37,940
intelligence you know just from

468
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:39,740
people that I spoke with they never

469
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:41,360
really got very far with that you know

470
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:43,570
it was much much harder to do something

471
00:20:49,210 --> 00:20:46,850
related to pique and actually affecting

472
00:20:51,369 --> 00:20:49,220
the outside reality than it is to simply

473
00:20:53,860 --> 00:20:51,379
just use your own consciousness to bring

474
00:20:56,169 --> 00:20:53,870
things in to you and sort of observe

475
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:56,179
them and record them exactly they mean

476
00:21:00,879 --> 00:20:58,240
they were definitely afraid that the

477
00:21:03,490 --> 00:21:00,889
Russians would develop the ability to

478
00:21:05,529 --> 00:21:03,500
stop a heart or you know put a pinch on

479
00:21:07,509 --> 00:21:05,539
a blood vessel and if you do that to a

480
00:21:11,379 --> 00:21:07,519
president you have a big issue right and

481
00:21:13,869 --> 00:21:11,389
so it was like it was too significant

482
00:21:16,509 --> 00:21:13,879
for them to ignore and so as much as

483
00:21:19,269 --> 00:21:16,519
they wanted it to not be real

484
00:21:22,269 --> 00:21:19,279
every time that SR I came back to them

485
00:21:24,009 --> 00:21:22,279
with well it seems to work this next

486
00:21:26,259 --> 00:21:24,019
this next experiment seemed to produce

487
00:21:29,710 --> 00:21:26,269
positive results it's like the unhappier

488
00:21:31,570 --> 00:21:29,720
they got kind of yeah I mean in our in

489
00:21:34,749 --> 00:21:31,580
our film you know there's there's you

490
00:21:36,909 --> 00:21:34,759
know several bonus features and and and

491
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:36,919
you know on on iTunes and one of them is

492
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:40,730
about you know eerie Geller and and you

493
00:21:47,009 --> 00:21:44,090
know claimed that he could you know

494
00:21:49,570 --> 00:21:47,019
affect things at a distance and you know

495
00:21:51,820 --> 00:21:49,580
race hard drives you know things like

496
00:21:56,730 --> 00:21:51,830
that and and and but but that's a

497
00:21:59,049 --> 00:21:56,740
different skill than remote viewing yeah

498
00:22:01,779 --> 00:21:59,059
fairly well when he was living here in

499
00:22:05,310 --> 00:22:01,789
New York in fact we took him up one time

500
00:22:09,879 --> 00:22:05,320
to Muhammad Ali's a training camp and

501
00:22:12,279 --> 00:22:09,889
Ali was a very skeptical about any any

502
00:22:14,019 --> 00:22:12,289
of this he was friends with you know

503
00:22:15,399 --> 00:22:14,029
Johnny Carson he had been on the show

504
00:22:18,820 --> 00:22:15,409
and Johnny Carson of course is an

505
00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:18,830
amateur magician and and so forth but he

506
00:22:24,940 --> 00:22:21,049
did one or two things up there i I

507
00:22:27,009 --> 00:22:24,950
remember he was with the alleys of a

508
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:27,019
sparring partner and it fella had on a

509
00:22:32,919 --> 00:22:29,450
heavy kind of like Christian metal and

510
00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:32,929
he made an imprint with his thumb in the

511
00:22:39,009 --> 00:22:36,289
in the in the metal and also to a ally

512
00:22:42,159 --> 00:22:39,019
was married at the time to a Belinda and

513
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:42,169
he made the the stone in the setting of

514
00:22:47,740 --> 00:22:45,440
her ring disappear yeah just by home

515
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:47,750
just by holding his hand over and I was

516
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:50,000
you know like a two feet away now I

517
00:22:55,779 --> 00:22:52,490
can't say that he wasn't

518
00:22:58,600 --> 00:22:55,789
incapable of trickery and I think he's

519
00:23:01,389 --> 00:22:58,610
even kind of admitted that in recent

520
00:23:05,169 --> 00:23:01,399
years you kind of do the you know the

521
00:23:06,759 --> 00:23:05,179
Hokey Pokey and you turn around and you

522
00:23:10,060 --> 00:23:06,769
you do what you have to do to get a

523
00:23:12,669 --> 00:23:10,070
little bit of an attention but he did do

524
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:12,679
some obviously fairly incredible things

525
00:23:19,180 --> 00:23:16,010
and and some under a fairly rigid die I

526
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:19,190
believe scientific conditions

527
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,159
he was Russell Targ was deathly afraid

528
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:24,559
that Erie Geller was going to bend a

529
00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:26,690
spoon in the lab because he didn't

530
00:23:31,180 --> 00:23:29,510
really want to report that to the

531
00:23:33,970 --> 00:23:31,190
scientific journals because he knew it

532
00:23:36,159 --> 00:23:33,980
really seriously yeah you know and and

533
00:23:37,210 --> 00:23:36,169
so they had early when he came to us all

534
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:37,220
right he was only there a short time I

535
00:23:39,340 --> 00:23:38,690
mean they just experiments with him for

536
00:23:41,490 --> 00:23:39,350
a few weeks

537
00:23:44,289 --> 00:23:41,500
yeah they had him under extreme you know

538
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:44,299
conditions and all right let me let me

539
00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:46,730
hold you right there and we will come

540
00:23:50,350 --> 00:23:48,769
back and finish this discussion because

541
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:50,360
we are at our bottom of the hour break

542
00:23:55,330 --> 00:23:52,970
so stay tuned for more on remote viewing

543
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on exploring the bizarre that's what

544
00:24:11,310 --> 00:24:08,730
now back to exploring the bazaars with

545
00:24:14,610 --> 00:24:11,320
two of the most electrifying researchers

546
00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:14,620
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becky

547
00:24:24,150 --> 00:24:22,270
link and Kings lists and welcome back to

548
00:24:26,250 --> 00:24:24,160
exploring the bazaar tonight we're

549
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:26,260
talking about remote viewing with our

550
00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:26,890
guest

551
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:30,130
Lance Mejia and Brett Stewart now

552
00:24:35,130 --> 00:24:32,530
gentlemen before I had to so rudely

553
00:24:38,010 --> 00:24:35,140
interrupt you for our bottom of the hour

554
00:24:41,340 --> 00:24:38,020
break you were talking about uri geller

555
00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:41,350
and how it was feared that he was gonna

556
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,310
go and bend spoons importantly hidden in

557
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:47,200
the laboratory so you can go ahead and

558
00:24:52,460 --> 00:24:48,640
finish your train of thought there

559
00:24:56,460 --> 00:24:52,470
well you know he was actually accused of

560
00:24:58,110 --> 00:24:56,470
wearing a wire in his tooth you know and

561
00:25:01,170 --> 00:24:58,120
this is something that Russell Targ

562
00:25:03,570 --> 00:25:01,180
actually was suspected because he'd seen

563
00:25:05,070 --> 00:25:03,580
another researcher working on a device

564
00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:05,080
that she could actually implant in your

565
00:25:09,570 --> 00:25:08,110
tooth that would then send a signal you

566
00:25:12,060 --> 00:25:09,580
know you know into your head which you

567
00:25:14,670 --> 00:25:12,070
could actually hear you know audibly and

568
00:25:17,460 --> 00:25:14,680
and and Sr I was incredibly paranoid

569
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,470
that they would be hoaxed you know they

570
00:25:22,290 --> 00:25:19,840
had a Faraday cage that they would put

571
00:25:23,730 --> 00:25:22,300
the remote viewers in where no signals

572
00:25:26,220 --> 00:25:23,740
could get through of any kind you know

573
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:26,230
that nobody and nobody at all ever knew

574
00:25:29,490 --> 00:25:28,090
the the targets that they would be

575
00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:29,500
remote viewing and we're kept in a walk

576
00:25:34,410 --> 00:25:32,710
safe you know so and everything was

577
00:25:36,180 --> 00:25:34,420
picked at random you know like they

578
00:25:37,470 --> 00:25:36,190
didn't even know what the target even

579
00:25:39,390 --> 00:25:37,480
the researchers didn't know what the

580
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:39,400
target was and there's actually a really

581
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:41,890
good reason for that that if they had

582
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:44,410
known then it's possible that that hurry

583
00:25:49,050 --> 00:25:46,450
or Ingo or someone else could could have

584
00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:49,060
been picking up on visual cues as to

585
00:25:53,310 --> 00:25:50,310
what the person was doing or even

586
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:53,320
telepathic cues and they wanted to know

587
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:54,850
for a fact that they were actually

588
00:25:59,010 --> 00:25:56,650
picking up information at the actual

589
00:26:00,720 --> 00:25:59,020
location that was being looked at so so

590
00:26:02,790 --> 00:26:00,730
they really ran a area through these

591
00:26:06,810 --> 00:26:02,800
tests and he never was able to bend a

592
00:26:09,330 --> 00:26:06,820
spoon in laboratory conditions and when

593
00:26:10,890 --> 00:26:09,340
we decided to make the film you know we

594
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:10,900
talked a lot about the fact you know

595
00:26:13,230 --> 00:26:11,440
Russell

596
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:13,240
you know the one of the head researchers

597
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:15,490
there and myself talks a lot about would

598
00:26:20,610 --> 00:26:19,510
we actually incorporate things like

599
00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:20,620
spoon bending like what were you gonna

600
00:26:24,150 --> 00:26:22,510
concentrate on anything else and and

601
00:26:26,910 --> 00:26:24,160
right out of the gate Russell Targ said

602
00:26:29,460 --> 00:26:26,920
no you know we can't because you can

603
00:26:31,380 --> 00:26:29,470
only do one impossible thing at a time

604
00:26:33,090 --> 00:26:31,390
you know because people aren't going to

605
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:33,100
buy you know five different possible

606
00:26:36,420 --> 00:26:34,240
things it's all just going to get lost

607
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:36,430
and so so we didn't talk about any of

608
00:26:41,250 --> 00:26:38,410
that but but statistically it's much

609
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:41,260
harder to do PK or things like that in a

610
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:43,210
laboratory setting you know it just just

611
00:26:47,070 --> 00:26:44,770
doesn't work as well you know but remote

612
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:47,080
viewing on the other hand works great in

613
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:51,370
the lab all right now we've been tossing

614
00:26:56,820 --> 00:26:55,210
the term remote viewing around since the

615
00:27:00,890 --> 00:26:56,830
you know the beginning of the program so

616
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:00,900
Brett why don't you tell our audience

617
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:06,610
just exactly what remote viewing is and

618
00:27:12,030 --> 00:27:10,090
I guess that it's it's a thoroughly

619
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:12,040
recent term because I know that people

620
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:14,050
were doing this kind of you know SCI

621
00:27:18,750 --> 00:27:16,450
research you know back in the 20s and

622
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:18,760
probably even earlier than that but they

623
00:27:23,450 --> 00:27:20,170
were calling it remote viewing

624
00:27:26,340 --> 00:27:23,460
well you know here's the thing about

625
00:27:27,150 --> 00:27:26,350
terms and labels is that they change

626
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:27,160
over time

627
00:27:32,190 --> 00:27:29,650
and remote viewing is really no

628
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:32,200
different if you go back to even before

629
00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:34,720
the military program you go back to the

630
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:36,910
original research that Ingo Swann was

631
00:27:43,050 --> 00:27:40,210
doing yeah I think not sure if it was

632
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:43,060
Ingo himself that came with term but he

633
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:45,760
was definitely a part it was actually

634
00:27:49,980 --> 00:27:48,310
Ingo the coin the phrase and so the

635
00:27:52,290 --> 00:27:49,990
thing though is that what he

636
00:27:54,690 --> 00:27:52,300
specifically outlined it as is that

637
00:27:57,660 --> 00:27:54,700
remote viewing within his mind was a

638
00:28:00,090 --> 00:27:57,670
scientific experiment to test for size

639
00:28:03,060 --> 00:28:00,100
functioning that's it it's a scientific

640
00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:03,070
experiment and nothing more now and so

641
00:28:06,660 --> 00:28:04,660
that means you need a certain protocol

642
00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:06,670
you need to follow those certain steps a

643
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:08,740
certain set of steps within that

644
00:28:12,750 --> 00:28:11,530
protocol and then at the end since it's

645
00:28:15,450 --> 00:28:12,760
a scientific experiment

646
00:28:18,150 --> 00:28:15,460
you either have yes a positive there was

647
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:18,160
psy functioning existed or a negative it

648
00:28:24,330 --> 00:28:21,490
doesn't exist and that's what he felt it

649
00:28:25,130 --> 00:28:24,340
the proper definition for it was and so

650
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,140
believe it or not

651
00:28:30,020 --> 00:28:28,080
never called himself a remote viewer he

652
00:28:32,420 --> 00:28:30,030
thought it was a misapplication of the

653
00:28:34,370 --> 00:28:32,430
word sure he said that he's a psychic he

654
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:34,380
does psychical things but remote viewing

655
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:36,000
he wanted to keep as a science

656
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:38,850
definition now perhaps much to his

657
00:28:43,130 --> 00:28:40,650
dismay that's kind of changed over time

658
00:28:45,950 --> 00:28:43,140
because today with the internet with

659
00:28:48,380 --> 00:28:45,960
changes of the definitions now it's much

660
00:28:51,710 --> 00:28:48,390
more broad and you might be you know you

661
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:51,720
wouldn't be it wouldn't be your fault

662
00:28:54,290 --> 00:28:53,250
necessarily if you thought or no viewing

663
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:54,300
was anything that had to do with

664
00:28:58,580 --> 00:28:56,880
clairvoyance and it's not it's not

665
00:29:01,550 --> 00:28:58,590
anything that's clairvoyant that you see

666
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:01,560
mystically into the distance is that but

667
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:02,850
there's definitely a spectrum and it

668
00:29:06,290 --> 00:29:03,810
depends who you ask

669
00:29:07,910 --> 00:29:06,300
you're asking me someone who's spent 10

670
00:29:10,550 --> 00:29:07,920
years researching it studying it

671
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:10,560
teaching it learning a lot of different

672
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:12,090
methods that have come out of the remote

673
00:29:17,060 --> 00:29:15,360
viewing program what I the way I view it

674
00:29:19,370 --> 00:29:17,070
is there's two different forms first

675
00:29:21,860 --> 00:29:19,380
there is a freeform method and that's

676
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:21,870
more the I'm going to actually project

677
00:29:26,660 --> 00:29:24,960
I'm gonna lay down I'm going to put my

678
00:29:28,940 --> 00:29:26,670
body into an altered state

679
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:28,950
just above sleeping and I'm going to

680
00:29:33,020 --> 00:29:30,810
have an experience that's more like a

681
00:29:35,210 --> 00:29:33,030
freeform version of remote viewing which

682
00:29:36,620 --> 00:29:35,220
exists and can work they stopped doing

683
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:36,630
it in the military because there were

684
00:29:42,140 --> 00:29:38,490
some pretty significant problems with it

685
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,150
one of them being that oftentimes

686
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:44,640
distances and orientations got flipped

687
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:47,250
upside down in that state and so it was

688
00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:49,290
very hard to kind of determine like what

689
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:51,510
was the ceiling or whether it was 20

690
00:29:55,670 --> 00:29:53,490
miles or a thousand miles as far as what

691
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:55,680
how far away something is so but there

692
00:29:58,960 --> 00:29:56,880
are no other problems with that so what

693
00:30:02,210 --> 00:29:58,970
they switched over to is a much more

694
00:30:05,390 --> 00:30:02,220
structured method and this is a pen and

695
00:30:07,790 --> 00:30:05,400
paper in a quiet space with high

696
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:07,800
attention management on whatever the

697
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:10,110
task is that you're focused on and so

698
00:30:14,390 --> 00:30:12,090
that's what the type of remote viewing

699
00:30:17,180 --> 00:30:14,400
that I practice that I teach which is

700
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:17,190
there'll be a pre assigned target that

701
00:30:20,180 --> 00:30:18,570
it and when you're practicing your

702
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:20,190
training new students use photographs

703
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:23,250
because you need feedback to reinforce

704
00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:25,770
the process just like in any skill you

705
00:30:30,980 --> 00:30:27,960
need feedback how well did they do right

706
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:30,990
and so I'd usually use a photograph I'll

707
00:30:35,870 --> 00:30:33,570
put it in an envelope and then I will

708
00:30:38,210 --> 00:30:35,880
give them a set of numbers that's

709
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:38,220
assigned to that photograph so students

710
00:30:41,090 --> 00:30:38,850
who are remote

711
00:30:44,030 --> 00:30:41,100
to remove you have no idea what they're

712
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,040
moving they're completely blind but I

713
00:30:48,770 --> 00:30:46,080
teach them how to go through a set of

714
00:30:51,380 --> 00:30:48,780
steps which brings them closer and

715
00:30:53,690 --> 00:30:51,390
closer in this at this attention

716
00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:53,700
management space to start beginning to

717
00:30:59,300 --> 00:30:56,580
describe what's in the actual photograph

718
00:31:01,250 --> 00:30:59,310
so they'll start picking up on the

719
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,260
textures of the site you know it's just

720
00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:03,600
like a sandy gritty environment kind of

721
00:31:07,970 --> 00:31:05,310
like a beach and then they'll get the

722
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:07,980
wet the wavy maybe and then suddenly hey

723
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:10,290
the actual target photo was a beach with

724
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:11,730
maybe a boat maybe they missed the boats

725
00:31:15,290 --> 00:31:13,770
because they're just starting out but

726
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:15,300
it's a it's essentially it's a

727
00:31:20,980 --> 00:31:18,720
structured step-by-step technique to

728
00:31:23,180 --> 00:31:20,990
access information at a distance and

729
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:23,190
it's just because it's you know this in

730
00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:25,110
the laypersons terms really what the way

731
00:31:29,540 --> 00:31:27,000
you can kind of think about this is that

732
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,550
your brain is has it acts kind of like

733
00:31:32,690 --> 00:31:31,440
an antenna it's kind of it's similar to

734
00:31:35,060 --> 00:31:32,700
your cell phone I think it's maybe a

735
00:31:37,820 --> 00:31:35,070
good analogy where if you have you run

736
00:31:40,580 --> 00:31:37,830
the right app then you can access this

737
00:31:42,650 --> 00:31:40,590
massive library of information and that

738
00:31:45,770 --> 00:31:42,660
would be the remote viewing app right

739
00:31:46,940 --> 00:31:45,780
and in that library it's like the Google

740
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:46,950
of the unit is the Google of the

741
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:48,930
universe this in cain't contains

742
00:31:52,820 --> 00:31:51,360
informational patterns about what's

743
00:31:55,550 --> 00:31:52,830
potentially going to occur in the future

744
00:31:58,730 --> 00:31:55,560
what has happened in the past and what's

745
00:32:01,250 --> 00:31:58,740
happening right now anywhere you can

746
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:01,260
think to put your attention so that's

747
00:32:05,630 --> 00:32:03,570
essentially it you know the nutshell I

748
00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:05,640
guess if you will of what it is in the

749
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:08,580
spectrum well are you working on a

750
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:10,980
one-to-one basis or a detour do you

751
00:32:17,630 --> 00:32:15,120
operate with a class of students both

752
00:32:20,420 --> 00:32:17,640
actually so I have a number of different

753
00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:20,430
tiers I actually wrote my remote viewing

754
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:21,960
the complete guide book a couple years

755
00:32:25,670 --> 00:32:24,510
ago to make it as easily accessible like

756
00:32:28,130 --> 00:32:25,680
when I got into this I was really

757
00:32:29,540 --> 00:32:28,140
passionate about holy smokes this works

758
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:29,550
I want to get this out to a lot of

759
00:32:33,260 --> 00:32:31,770
people because I can't believe it and so

760
00:32:35,420 --> 00:32:33,270
it's the easiest way to do that I

761
00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:35,430
decided to write a book and so that

762
00:32:38,510 --> 00:32:36,600
means I have that available on a website

763
00:32:40,010 --> 00:32:38,520
and then for teaching for people who

764
00:32:42,350 --> 00:32:40,020
want to take it beyond just the

765
00:32:44,150 --> 00:32:42,360
curiosity level this is what technical

766
00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:44,160
intuition is my website where I have

767
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,200
video training courses that people can

768
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:48,480
go through to learn the basic

769
00:32:54,049 --> 00:32:51,450
fundamentals and then I do

770
00:32:56,180 --> 00:32:54,059
the online broadcast I'll do webinars

771
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,190
and workshops online that can have

772
00:33:00,379 --> 00:32:58,320
anywhere between 10 to 30 people in them

773
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:00,389
and then one-on-one instruction as well

774
00:33:05,330 --> 00:33:03,330
it just depends really on how motivated

775
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:05,340
the student is to learn it the best way

776
00:33:13,129 --> 00:33:08,970
is with coaching but but yeah can you

777
00:33:15,710 --> 00:33:13,139
give us an example or two of let's see

778
00:33:18,919 --> 00:33:15,720
some some students who happen to be a

779
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:18,929
very well adapted at doing this and what

780
00:33:24,289 --> 00:33:22,110
they might have hit upon sure well

781
00:33:26,330 --> 00:33:24,299
students that we like I mentioned

782
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:26,340
previously they all start with photo

783
00:33:29,899 --> 00:33:28,110
photo feedback targets it's where you

784
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:29,909
always want to start and you typically

785
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:32,820
run a lot of those because you need to

786
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:35,490
train that part of yourself to adjust

787
00:33:39,860 --> 00:33:37,769
because there's a there's a learning

788
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:39,870
process not just on the conscious

789
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,850
individual though a waking aware person

790
00:33:44,930 --> 00:33:43,679
that one that's interested in it but

791
00:33:47,210 --> 00:33:44,940
there's also a learning process that

792
00:33:50,029 --> 00:33:47,220
goes in on on the unconscious side and

793
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,039
so what's possible is there's this

794
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:52,320
effect that's known in the remote

795
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:54,510
viewing community as the first timer

796
00:34:00,379 --> 00:33:57,210
effect or the very first time someone

797
00:34:01,940 --> 00:34:00,389
does this almost like there's a they may

798
00:34:03,169 --> 00:34:01,950
not even necessarily believe it it

799
00:34:05,060 --> 00:34:03,179
doesn't even matter if they believe

800
00:34:07,549 --> 00:34:05,070
whether or not it's a real thing is that

801
00:34:09,770 --> 00:34:07,559
they can have absolutely phenomenal

802
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,780
success because they aren't invested in

803
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,040
the outcome it's almost like they

804
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:13,679
haven't put up any blocks to say no

805
00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:15,450
that's not possible or no this I

806
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:17,220
couldn't do this because they're just

807
00:34:19,940 --> 00:34:18,810
kind of ambivalent about it they just

808
00:34:22,010 --> 00:34:19,950
listen to the steps and go through it

809
00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:22,020
and suddenly what happens is they very

810
00:34:26,180 --> 00:34:23,879
accurately describe what's in the photo

811
00:34:28,819 --> 00:34:26,190
and I've seen this countless times with

812
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:28,829
beginner students and so this can be

813
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,800
from I mean beginner photographs can

814
00:34:36,740 --> 00:34:33,599
typically be anything from like a

815
00:34:39,319 --> 00:34:36,750
volcano exploding to a fish in a river

816
00:34:41,149 --> 00:34:39,329
and the type of accuracy you can kind of

817
00:34:44,359 --> 00:34:41,159
see is they'll actually be naming what's

818
00:34:46,339 --> 00:34:44,369
in the the photograph the one thing if I

819
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:46,349
give you one example that really should

820
00:34:52,609 --> 00:34:48,089
kind of hits at home of what's possible

821
00:34:54,980 --> 00:34:52,619
is I had a student last year had no idea

822
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:54,990
what remote viewing was I gave him a

823
00:35:00,109 --> 00:34:57,210
basically a 45 minute introduction on

824
00:35:03,230 --> 00:35:00,119
the basics had him run through it I gave

825
00:35:04,430 --> 00:35:03,240
him a blind photograph and he named the

826
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:04,440
location

827
00:35:08,990 --> 00:35:07,410
in the session which was machu picchu he

828
00:35:10,730 --> 00:35:09,000
had no idea what it was

829
00:35:12,980 --> 00:35:10,740
and he's like I just he's describing

830
00:35:14,779 --> 00:35:12,990
these mountains these llamas everywhere

831
00:35:16,609 --> 00:35:14,789
these kind of ruins like you know I

832
00:35:19,609 --> 00:35:16,619
think this is kind of like Machu Picchu

833
00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:19,619
is what I'm getting and that was 100%

834
00:35:25,220 --> 00:35:21,900
accurate the very first time he had ever

835
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:25,230
done it doesn't happen all the time but

836
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:30,690
it can't happen now did he have a series

837
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:32,010
of hits in other words that he turned

838
00:35:38,059 --> 00:35:35,280
out to be a really good student or was

839
00:35:45,620 --> 00:35:38,069
it just a one-shot deal he actually

840
00:35:45,799 --> 00:35:45,630
didn't want to continue doing it I did

841
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:45,809
it

842
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:47,490
now I'm gonna go on and live my life and

843
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:49,650
you do so they do something else so you

844
00:35:53,630 --> 00:35:52,049
know it's it is a skill it's like

845
00:35:56,420 --> 00:35:53,640
learning to play the piano

846
00:35:58,370 --> 00:35:56,430
read read music I mean it takes time it

847
00:36:00,049 --> 00:35:58,380
takes effort like any other skill you

848
00:36:02,029 --> 00:36:00,059
want to become a really good artist you

849
00:36:03,890 --> 00:36:02,039
have to spend time you have you know

850
00:36:07,460 --> 00:36:03,900
training is very helpful having coaching

851
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:07,470
is very helpful right but certainly that

852
00:36:10,339 --> 00:36:08,730
that what happened to me is I had that

853
00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:10,349
first time or experience and I was

854
00:36:13,609 --> 00:36:10,740
hooked

855
00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:13,619
I I couldn't let it go and I just you

856
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:16,440
know looked for any training opportunity

857
00:36:21,859 --> 00:36:19,490
I could do workshops training DVDs

858
00:36:23,269 --> 00:36:21,869
one-on-one training with people who

859
00:36:26,510 --> 00:36:23,279
actually were part of the remote viewing

860
00:36:27,769 --> 00:36:26,520
program so it was but not everyone's

861
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:27,779
like that you know people have different

862
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:31,010
temperaments you know you said something

863
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,000
during the break that I found

864
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:35,760
interesting the fact that it seems to be

865
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:38,640
easier now to teach people and for

866
00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:42,240
people to pick up this ability than it

867
00:36:47,029 --> 00:36:44,520
used to be in the past which sounds very

868
00:36:51,819 --> 00:36:47,039
reminiscent of Rupert Sheldrake's

869
00:36:53,839 --> 00:36:51,829
morphic field theory do you want to

870
00:36:56,660 --> 00:36:53,849
elaborate on that just a little bit more

871
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:56,670
yeah well I think Lance actually brought

872
00:36:59,359 --> 00:36:58,410
it up weren't you talking about when you

873
00:37:02,470 --> 00:36:59,369
were doing the recording with the

874
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:02,480
students yeah yeah there's there's a a

875
00:37:09,410 --> 00:37:06,510
lot of people have asked I mean I why s

876
00:37:10,789 --> 00:37:09,420
RI got such great results now there's

877
00:37:12,349 --> 00:37:10,799
there's a lot of other labs that got

878
00:37:14,089 --> 00:37:12,359
really good results with remote viewing

879
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:14,099
too in the early days of studying this

880
00:37:17,620 --> 00:37:16,619
you know Duke and Princeton and several

881
00:37:19,539 --> 00:37:17,630
other really procedures play

882
00:37:21,220 --> 00:37:19,549
is absolutely duplicated what SR I was

883
00:37:25,509 --> 00:37:21,230
doing and even today they're doing way

884
00:37:27,009 --> 00:37:25,519
more but what the original people who

885
00:37:30,430 --> 00:37:27,019
did this contributed to their initial

886
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:30,440
success was the fact that it was almost

887
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:33,650
like permission slip to walk into SR I

888
00:37:39,130 --> 00:37:35,650
and see these guys in big lab coats and

889
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:39,140
you know in beakers and all this like

890
00:37:42,309 --> 00:37:40,490
millions of dollars of scientific

891
00:37:45,009 --> 00:37:42,319
equipment and and Russell would just sit

892
00:37:46,809 --> 00:37:45,019
them down and say okay well today you're

893
00:37:48,339 --> 00:37:46,819
going to be psychic because everybody is

894
00:37:49,870 --> 00:37:48,349
psychic and you know you're so you're

895
00:37:53,259 --> 00:37:49,880
gonna Remote View for us and they would

896
00:37:55,690 --> 00:37:53,269
do this again and again and people just

897
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:55,700
would be able to do it because so much I

898
00:37:59,890 --> 00:37:57,650
think of the sort of denial of this

899
00:38:02,680 --> 00:37:59,900
ability that I you know that the

900
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:02,690
evidence suggests we all have is is our

901
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:04,880
own fear at doing it and the more that

902
00:38:10,269 --> 00:38:08,000
people do it the the more sort of energy

903
00:38:11,620 --> 00:38:10,279
is put into this subject it's kind of

904
00:38:13,450 --> 00:38:11,630
like the hundredth monkey effect I don't

905
00:38:14,859 --> 00:38:13,460
know if you guys are familiar with you

906
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:14,869
know the hundredth monkey effect where

907
00:38:19,539 --> 00:38:16,730
you know you you you teach one monkey

908
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:19,549
how to use a tool in an island when

909
00:38:22,329 --> 00:38:20,930
about a hundred monkeys figure out how

910
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:22,339
to use that tool this was an actual

911
00:38:26,499 --> 00:38:24,710
scientific study that was done then all

912
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:26,509
of the sudden every monkey in the entire

913
00:38:31,539 --> 00:38:30,170
species knows how to use that tool and

914
00:38:34,359 --> 00:38:31,549
they've demonstrated this again and

915
00:38:36,579 --> 00:38:34,369
again and again in in in different areas

916
00:38:38,170 --> 00:38:36,589
not just in that one and I think remote

917
00:38:40,539 --> 00:38:38,180
viewing and sort of the use of

918
00:38:42,940 --> 00:38:40,549
consciousness as an ability is the same

919
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:42,950
thing it's it's like we're we're sort of

920
00:38:48,789 --> 00:38:45,440
like blazing a trail for other people to

921
00:38:51,970 --> 00:38:48,799
follow but the danger in that like like

922
00:38:53,170 --> 00:38:51,980
I loved Bret's analogy about about the

923
00:38:55,569 --> 00:38:53,180
person who did it one time and said

924
00:38:58,140 --> 00:38:55,579
that's enough and left is that you can't

925
00:39:00,430 --> 00:38:58,150
really take away somebody's worldview

926
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,440
without them being sort of grounded

927
00:39:04,269 --> 00:39:02,240
enough to have a different worldview and

928
00:39:06,309 --> 00:39:04,279
be open to that or else people just shut

929
00:39:08,769 --> 00:39:06,319
down and and I and I think that that is

930
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:08,779
the the danger but at the same time

931
00:39:12,910 --> 00:39:11,210
there really is something I think both

932
00:39:16,450 --> 00:39:12,920
psychologically and maybe even

933
00:39:18,700 --> 00:39:16,460
energetically that suggests that the

934
00:39:21,819 --> 00:39:18,710
more you sort of break through this veil

935
00:39:24,730 --> 00:39:21,829
this kind of barrier of consciousness

936
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:24,740
that's separating us the the more it is

937
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:26,450
it is easier to connect it's like your

938
00:39:31,180 --> 00:39:29,119
bandwidth goes up not just my bandwidth

939
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:31,190
or yours but everybody's

940
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:35,450
so as we brought up at the beginning of

941
00:39:43,060 --> 00:39:39,890
the program a lot of people when you

942
00:39:44,590 --> 00:39:43,070
talk about remote viewing just will

943
00:39:47,740 --> 00:39:44,600
automatically shut you down

944
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:47,750
you know said oh well you know it's they

945
00:39:52,060 --> 00:39:50,330
tried that and it didn't work so you

946
00:39:56,530 --> 00:39:52,070
know they they stopped doing it totally

947
00:39:58,750 --> 00:39:56,540
so you know what what's your answer to

948
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,760
somebody who tries to come back at you

949
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:00,560
with you know that kind of skeptical

950
00:40:05,980 --> 00:40:04,010
attitude well there's a hundred years of

951
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:05,990
data that you can look at and and and

952
00:40:09,460 --> 00:40:07,490
I've had this discussion this argument

953
00:40:11,260 --> 00:40:09,470
with good friends of mine who are very

954
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:11,270
skeptical and I and I think number one I

955
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:13,850
would I would tell that person good be a

956
00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:16,250
skeptic you should be a skeptic you know

957
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:18,760
you don't be a dogmatic skeptic don't be

958
00:40:23,890 --> 00:40:21,650
somebody who is not open to the

959
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:23,900
possibilities but be an idea this is

960
00:40:28,780 --> 00:40:27,050
Charlie Tarts really quote but who's one

961
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:28,790
of the the pair of psychologists in the

962
00:40:32,410 --> 00:40:30,650
movie but you want to be an enlightened

963
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:32,420
skeptic you know you want to be open to

964
00:40:35,740 --> 00:40:34,370
the possibility because when you see

965
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:35,750
something that really is unbelievable

966
00:40:41,170 --> 00:40:38,690
and it doesn't exist within sort of the

967
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:41,180
confines of the existing science that we

968
00:40:44,830 --> 00:40:42,530
sort of know and understand in the

969
00:40:47,740 --> 00:40:44,840
material world then you have to kind of

970
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:47,750
go okay wait a minute if this is

971
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:50,450
happening then there's something about

972
00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:52,970
the model that we have that is broken

973
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:55,310
you know we're not getting the entire

974
00:40:58,990 --> 00:40:57,050
picture here and and this is the history

975
00:41:00,430 --> 00:40:59,000
of science you know this has been going

976
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:00,440
on since the beginning of time I mean

977
00:41:05,070 --> 00:41:03,440
Galileo put a telescope out in the

978
00:41:07,330 --> 00:41:05,080
streets of Verona or wherever and

979
00:41:11,020 --> 00:41:07,340
invited people to come and look at his

980
00:41:12,730 --> 00:41:11,030
telescope and no one would why because

981
00:41:14,770 --> 00:41:12,740
they didn't want to upset their apple

982
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:14,780
cart they didn't want to you know ruin

983
00:41:18,670 --> 00:41:16,910
their sense of what the world was it

984
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:18,680
might be demons it might be something

985
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:20,240
really bad I might see through there

986
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:22,640
III think that our film you know third

987
00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:25,250
eye spies is gonna upset the applecart

988
00:41:29,950 --> 00:41:27,110
in a big way cuz I've seen it happen

989
00:41:32,770 --> 00:41:29,960
again and again I had a three-hour

990
00:41:35,350 --> 00:41:32,780
argument with my friend who's this very

991
00:41:38,980 --> 00:41:35,360
very logical prisoner very well-known

992
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:38,990
filmmaker you know he he has had films

993
00:41:44,110 --> 00:41:41,090
all over the world and it's festivals

994
00:41:44,890 --> 00:41:44,120
and things and he'd refused to believe

995
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:44,900
in the reality of

996
00:41:49,780 --> 00:41:46,850
reviewing he was a huge fan of James

997
00:41:51,460 --> 00:41:49,790
Randi you know you know absolutely hated

998
00:41:53,950 --> 00:41:51,470
regular because he thought that you know

999
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:53,960
area was a magician and all of these

1000
00:41:57,850 --> 00:41:56,570
things and I said well first of all I

1001
00:42:01,240 --> 00:41:57,860
said you gotta watch the movie and he

1002
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:01,250
finally did and when he watched the

1003
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:02,480
movie you came out and he said you know

1004
00:42:07,060 --> 00:42:04,610
I think you actually changed my mind

1005
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:07,070
about this you know and that to me was

1006
00:42:10,210 --> 00:42:08,720
the biggest revelation because I was

1007
00:42:12,910 --> 00:42:10,220
like wow I've known this guy for 20

1008
00:42:15,010 --> 00:42:12,920
years I mean he if he if his mind can be

1009
00:42:17,110 --> 00:42:15,020
changed then then maybe a lot of other

1010
00:42:18,820 --> 00:42:17,120
people's can too and you know I think

1011
00:42:20,170 --> 00:42:18,830
it's sort of like it's it's you can't

1012
00:42:22,210 --> 00:42:20,180
throw out the baby with the bathwater

1013
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:22,220
when you look at something you know you

1014
00:42:26,740 --> 00:42:23,810
you know just because there is such a

1015
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:26,750
thing as you know intuitive ability that

1016
00:42:30,370 --> 00:42:29,210
really exists I mean statistically it

1017
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:30,380
just does I mean we're not trying to

1018
00:42:33,730 --> 00:42:32,570
prove the phenomenon anymore we've

1019
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:33,740
already done that you know like that

1020
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:37,760
that's been shown I mean but it's

1021
00:42:42,940 --> 00:42:40,730
because there's not a mechanism as to

1022
00:42:46,570 --> 00:42:42,950
how something like psychic ability works

1023
00:42:48,580 --> 00:42:46,580
there's not a measure I can't like take

1024
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:48,590
a meter and put it against Brett's head

1025
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:52,160
and it reads like 98% that he's really

1026
00:42:55,900 --> 00:42:54,110
good at what he does I mean it's it the

1027
00:42:57,820 --> 00:42:55,910
Soviets tried to do that you know that

1028
00:43:00,010 --> 00:42:57,830
the reason that the Soviet Union was so

1029
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:00,020
into this stuff was because they were

1030
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:02,210
communists and they believe that

1031
00:43:07,630 --> 00:43:05,690
everything has a material solution you

1032
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,640
know even and therefore you know

1033
00:43:11,860 --> 00:43:09,680
consciousness exists so it must be

1034
00:43:15,010 --> 00:43:11,870
material and there must be something

1035
00:43:17,020 --> 00:43:15,020
that is a mechanism at work that makes

1036
00:43:18,460 --> 00:43:17,030
it work but you can't nail down

1037
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:18,470
consciousness and that's what they

1038
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:20,510
didn't get you know you you can never

1039
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:23,050
actually create a hypothesis

1040
00:43:26,730 --> 00:43:24,650
scientifically for this kind of

1041
00:43:28,690 --> 00:43:26,740
phenomenon because the observer

1042
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:28,700
themselves are part of the experiment

1043
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:31,970
you know and and so it's it's including

1044
00:43:35,890 --> 00:43:34,130
all of us it's like all of humanity is

1045
00:43:38,980 --> 00:43:35,900
this one big like Internet

1046
00:43:41,380 --> 00:43:38,990
interconnected network of like little

1047
00:43:43,180 --> 00:43:41,390
brain cells running around and and and

1048
00:43:45,730 --> 00:43:43,190
that's the way that this works it's like

1049
00:43:48,940 --> 00:43:45,740
it really actually sort of changes your

1050
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:48,950
entire view of the universe I mean that

1051
00:43:53,410 --> 00:43:51,410
the most shocking thing to me and it

1052
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:53,420
took me five years to make this film and

1053
00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:56,090
and it changed me personally I mean for

1054
00:44:00,260 --> 00:43:58,260
sure but

1055
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:00,270
the most amazing thing was going and

1056
00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:01,890
visiting these guys who were you know

1057
00:44:06,740 --> 00:44:03,900
some of them grizzled Vietnam vets like

1058
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:06,750
Joe mcmoneagle who who won the you know

1059
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:08,310
the Legion of Merit Award for his

1060
00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:12,720
service you know the highest thing that

1061
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:14,280
you can possibly get as a noncombatant

1062
00:44:19,310 --> 00:44:16,890
in the military intelligence services he

1063
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:19,320
won for doing remote viewing but if you

1064
00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:22,170
talk to this guy he starts to sound more

1065
00:44:26,060 --> 00:44:23,940
like a Buddhist monk than a soldier

1066
00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:26,070
because and not because he's airy-fairy

1067
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:28,260
and he's and he's you know found God or

1068
00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:30,410
something but because he just

1069
00:44:35,150 --> 00:44:32,760
understands a little bit more that the

1070
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,160
universe is more mysterious and more

1071
00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:37,920
connected than than we've sort of been

1072
00:44:46,310 --> 00:44:38,940
led to believe through the scientific

1073
00:44:49,310 --> 00:44:46,320
model that we have is there any research

1074
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:49,320
into this by the government going on

1075
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:52,290
perhaps a little hush-hush I know your

1076
00:44:59,480 --> 00:44:55,770
your your or so ago you know of course

1077
00:45:01,099 --> 00:44:59,490
the the the Air Force had stayed the

1078
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:01,109
project Bluebook he closed that one

1079
00:45:05,630 --> 00:45:03,200
without nineteen seventeen nineteen so I

1080
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:05,640
and it turned out that the government

1081
00:45:09,290 --> 00:45:07,530
had been spending about twenty eight

1082
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:09,300
million dollars or something like that

1083
00:45:24,829 --> 00:45:21,349
that's lunch money for a politician you

1084
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:24,839
know I just I just wonder is there

1085
00:45:28,910 --> 00:45:26,130
anything like that

1086
00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:28,920
under the under the wire so to speak

1087
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:31,740
that is going on that we should know

1088
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:34,890
about or not know about well first off

1089
00:45:38,510 --> 00:45:36,450
when you say twenty eight million you

1090
00:45:40,370 --> 00:45:38,520
know that's so much reminded me of what

1091
00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:40,380
was said about SSRI they said oh we

1092
00:45:44,180 --> 00:45:42,150
spent about twenty million dollars on

1093
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:44,190
this program over a 20-year period and

1094
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:46,410
and all they were looking at was that

1095
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:49,170
one contractor in SR I they weren't

1096
00:45:53,930 --> 00:45:50,609
telling you about what was going on in

1097
00:45:56,599 --> 00:45:53,940
the army or you know the Air Force or

1098
00:45:58,880 --> 00:45:56,609
any of the other intelligence services

1099
00:46:00,109 --> 00:45:58,890
like CIA you know they didn't count any

1100
00:46:02,450 --> 00:46:00,119
of that money so it's like they're very

1101
00:46:06,349 --> 00:46:02,460
selective like we think of government as

1102
00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:06,359
this as this monolithic beast that just

1103
00:46:10,250 --> 00:46:08,310
moves with one driving force it's like

1104
00:46:11,490 --> 00:46:10,260
the president's behind the wheel and

1105
00:46:13,170 --> 00:46:11,500
he's drivin the car to the

1106
00:46:15,180 --> 00:46:13,180
left in the right and he's everybody's

1107
00:46:16,590 --> 00:46:15,190
just sort of following orders but

1108
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:16,600
intelligence services don't work that

1109
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:18,880
way and by intent you know they're

1110
00:46:22,670 --> 00:46:20,770
they're what's called stove-piped you

1111
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:22,680
know everything has its own

1112
00:46:28,620 --> 00:46:25,570
infrastructure and and you may be part

1113
00:46:31,460 --> 00:46:28,630
of a advanced remote viewing program for

1114
00:46:34,110 --> 00:46:31,470
the army and think that's all there is

1115
00:46:35,610 --> 00:46:34,120
there's way more than that you know and

1116
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:35,620
and you don't know it and even the guys

1117
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:38,050
involved don't necessarily know it you

1118
00:46:42,420 --> 00:46:40,510
know um we talk a lot about this in in

1119
00:46:45,180 --> 00:46:42,430
in our film you know which which came

1120
00:46:50,910 --> 00:46:45,190
out a couple of days ago but it's it's

1121
00:46:52,380 --> 00:46:50,920
really about using misinformation the

1122
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:52,390
same way that you would if you were

1123
00:46:56,670 --> 00:46:54,880
gonna go join a rock-and-roll band and

1124
00:46:58,500 --> 00:46:56,680
your mom didn't approve of it you know

1125
00:47:00,030 --> 00:46:58,510
like they don't they don't shut this

1126
00:47:01,710 --> 00:47:00,040
stuff up you know I don't think

1127
00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:01,720
anybody's gonna come after me come after

1128
00:47:05,970 --> 00:47:04,030
bread or anybody that's out talking

1129
00:47:07,830 --> 00:47:05,980
about this because they don't have to

1130
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:07,840
all they have to do is be quiet about it

1131
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:10,510
and then let know the cultural biases

1132
00:47:15,420 --> 00:47:14,050
kick in you know and and with more with

1133
00:47:16,860 --> 00:47:15,430
our film that's why I think our film is

1134
00:47:18,210 --> 00:47:16,870
gonna be really groundbreaking for a lot

1135
00:47:20,070 --> 00:47:18,220
of people because a lot of people are

1136
00:47:22,650 --> 00:47:20,080
seeing this movie it's number four on

1137
00:47:24,030 --> 00:47:22,660
iTunes right now you know so there's

1138
00:47:25,710 --> 00:47:24,040
people who don't know anything about

1139
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:25,720
this and they're looking at this film

1140
00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:26,890
and they're going wow these guys don't

1141
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:28,740
sound as crazy as I thought they were

1142
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:31,510
you know this this these guys all have

1143
00:47:37,470 --> 00:47:35,290
PhDs oh my gosh that guy was a nuclear

1144
00:47:40,530 --> 00:47:37,480
physicist what's he do oh my gosh this

1145
00:47:42,210 --> 00:47:40,540
guy was a Nobel Prize winner and yet

1146
00:47:44,550 --> 00:47:42,220
even the Nobel Prize winner Brian

1147
00:47:46,490 --> 00:47:44,560
Josephson who appears in our film you

1148
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:46,500
know he's cambridge professor emeritus

1149
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:48,730
he was discriminated against because of

1150
00:47:52,050 --> 00:47:50,770
psy all right I'm gonna have to

1151
00:47:53,610 --> 00:47:52,060
interrupt you here because we have to go

1152
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:53,620
to our top of the hour break come back

1153
00:48:03,880 --> 00:47:55,690
more remote-viewing on exploring the

1154
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:08,359
explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride

1155
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:10,850
into the world of the paranoid

1156
00:48:18,430 --> 00:48:14,130
strap yourself e'en as we traverse the

1157
00:48:21,550 --> 00:48:18,440
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

1158
00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:21,560
ghosts Lost Worlds

1159
00:48:27,770 --> 00:48:23,940
cryptozoology waters as well as other

1160
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:27,780
dimensions it's time to take back the

1161
00:48:35,420 --> 00:48:32,160
night last night now your electrifying

1162
00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:35,430
hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

1163
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:41,160
Begley and team sports alright welcome

1164
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:44,310
back to the second part of exploring the

1165
00:48:48,590 --> 00:48:46,130
bizarre tonight we're talking about

1166
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:48,600
remote viewing if you haven't guessed

1167
00:48:55,070 --> 00:48:51,050
that already what with our guest Lance

1168
00:48:59,540 --> 00:48:55,080
munguia and Brett Stewart now Lance has

1169
00:49:02,380 --> 00:48:59,550
a movie that is now out for your viewing

1170
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:02,390
pleasure called third eye spies and

1171
00:49:12,490 --> 00:49:06,530
Brett is the founder of technical

1172
00:49:18,410 --> 00:49:12,500
intuition so and and we're talking about

1173
00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:18,420
remote viewing and the possibility that

1174
00:49:25,130 --> 00:49:21,900
I don't know what we were discussing

1175
00:49:27,470 --> 00:49:25,140
before he went to the break that had Tim

1176
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:27,480
asked this whether or not that there

1177
00:49:35,410 --> 00:49:31,440
could actually be you know continuation

1178
00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:35,420
of the CIA and and military projects

1179
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:37,980
along these lines I mean you know the

1180
00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:39,810
CIA you know said that they stopped

1181
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:43,500
doing this was like 1995 my fan you know

1182
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:45,450
because it didn't work and you know you

1183
00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:47,609
know nothing to see here folks which

1184
00:49:52,220 --> 00:49:50,520
just always you know like MKULTRA you

1185
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,230
know it just always you know made me

1186
00:49:58,700 --> 00:49:54,240
think yeah yeah yeah it's it's still

1187
00:50:02,030 --> 00:49:58,710
going on somewhere you know under the

1188
00:50:04,190 --> 00:50:02,040
sheets yeah I mean is that true I mean

1189
00:50:08,350 --> 00:50:04,200
do you think that there is there are

1190
00:50:10,750 --> 00:50:08,360
continued projects going along somewhere

1191
00:50:13,810 --> 00:50:10,760
with remote viewing I think it's all

1192
00:50:21,930 --> 00:50:13,820
Brett I think that I know he's the one

1193
00:50:24,580 --> 00:50:21,940
you know they're going to him there's

1194
00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:24,590
listen like if you could look back at

1195
00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:26,990
the actual reason of why they canceled

1196
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:28,910
the program in 95 I mean first of all

1197
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:30,290
all the original researchers had already

1198
00:50:34,660 --> 00:50:32,930
left so that's an aspect to take into

1199
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:34,670
aspect to take into consideration in

1200
00:50:39,850 --> 00:50:37,250
1995 it's totally different group that's

1201
00:50:41,950 --> 00:50:39,860
involved at that point but if you look

1202
00:50:45,790 --> 00:50:41,960
at the actual report that was generated

1203
00:50:47,950 --> 00:50:45,800
it was the a IR report where it's just

1204
00:50:49,570 --> 00:50:47,960
everyone who tad like who's part of the

1205
00:50:51,250 --> 00:50:49,580
program he looked at at least a lot of

1206
00:50:53,050 --> 00:50:51,260
them they basically said this looked

1207
00:50:54,430 --> 00:50:53,060
like essentially a hit job it's they did

1208
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:54,440
none of the original scientists were

1209
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:56,090
contacted they weren't given critical

1210
00:50:59,830 --> 00:50:57,920
knowledge about the program they weren't

1211
00:51:03,220 --> 00:50:59,840
allowed to look at all of the actual

1212
00:51:06,030 --> 00:51:03,230
successful uses of it and the kind of

1213
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:06,040
the kicker is is that the number one

1214
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:08,690
Tasker of information in in the

1215
00:51:11,530 --> 00:51:10,010
intelligence agent of all the

1216
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,540
intelligence agencies that went to the

1217
00:51:18,070 --> 00:51:14,240
military program for information was the

1218
00:51:20,110 --> 00:51:18,080
CIA they had more tasks to the program

1219
00:51:22,660 --> 00:51:20,120
than anybody else requesting information

1220
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:22,670
from them and this was a program that

1221
00:51:28,030 --> 00:51:25,730
lived and died on a yearly basis for

1222
00:51:29,710 --> 00:51:28,040
funding so that means every single year

1223
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:29,720
they had to prove that what they were

1224
00:51:34,540 --> 00:51:32,090
doing not only worked what would but

1225
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:34,550
that was providing value intelligence

1226
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:36,890
support for who was requesting it and

1227
00:51:42,310 --> 00:51:40,130
people kept showing up agencies kept

1228
00:51:43,860 --> 00:51:42,320
showing up asking for more information

1229
00:51:46,030 --> 00:51:43,870
so when you look at it through that

1230
00:51:49,090 --> 00:51:46,040
context and that understanding of what

1231
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:49,100
happened you it makes you wonder a

1232
00:51:54,130 --> 00:51:51,680
little bit about why it played out the

1233
00:51:56,620 --> 00:51:54,140
way it did in that if this what there

1234
00:51:58,660 --> 00:51:56,630
was a negative say Bend or a negative

1235
00:52:01,000 --> 00:51:58,670
bias from the beginning to discredit the

1236
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:01,010
work upfront what would be the reason

1237
00:52:04,330 --> 00:52:02,480
for that now obviously now we need to

1238
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:04,340
unless you've remote viewed it I haven't

1239
00:52:08,020 --> 00:52:06,800
heard about here this right but maybe

1240
00:52:09,610 --> 00:52:08,030
there are people who have I mean

1241
00:52:11,470 --> 00:52:09,620
actually I think well I won't go there

1242
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:11,480
but it's you have to kind of look at it

1243
00:52:15,250 --> 00:52:12,650
from their perspective you mentioned the

1244
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:15,260
MKULTRA right that was a huge like

1245
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:17,690
disgrace for the CIA when that came out

1246
00:52:22,030 --> 00:52:19,850
the fact they were looking into that the

1247
00:52:24,310 --> 00:52:22,040
fact that it would it ended so horribly

1248
00:52:26,170 --> 00:52:24,320
died and so it's like the fact that this

1249
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:26,180
was gonna come out like obviously

1250
00:52:28,270 --> 00:52:27,170
they're gonna want to distance

1251
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:28,280
themselves that just to me seems like a

1252
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:30,770
no-brainer based on historical factors

1253
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:33,410
but the other thing that I think you

1254
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:34,640
have to take into consideration is that

1255
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:37,610
the CIA or release an aspect of CIA cats

1256
00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:40,610
can probably blanket paint a brush the

1257
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:42,710
CIA right but there are certainly people

1258
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:44,450
within the CIA that knew the program

1259
00:52:48,820 --> 00:52:46,730
worked but if you look at it from their

1260
00:52:50,110 --> 00:52:48,830
perspective what's gonna be going on

1261
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:50,120
knowing that it's going to become

1262
00:52:53,740 --> 00:52:51,290
Declassified that there's an

1263
00:52:55,780 --> 00:52:53,750
inevitability at that point well they

1264
00:52:58,030 --> 00:52:55,790
know that they have to kind of control

1265
00:52:59,920 --> 00:52:58,040
the release in the perspective on how

1266
00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:59,930
new people come into the information

1267
00:53:05,410 --> 00:53:02,000
about the program because what happens

1268
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:05,420
when an intelligence agency no longer is

1269
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:06,890
able to protect its most sensitive

1270
00:53:12,460 --> 00:53:10,330
secrets from everyday ordinary people if

1271
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:12,470
remote-viewing enters into the public

1272
00:53:17,380 --> 00:53:15,170
domain it's not only recognized as a

1273
00:53:20,110 --> 00:53:17,390
possible real possibility but it's also

1274
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:20,120
intriguing its stimulating it's all like

1275
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:21,650
wow this is really cool I want to learn

1276
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:24,610
how to do this what happens to the world

1277
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:27,530
after that well you enter into a

1278
00:53:32,140 --> 00:53:29,690
completely new domain where you live

1279
00:53:33,250 --> 00:53:32,150
this as a should not wasn't Sheldrake or

1280
00:53:35,590 --> 00:53:33,260
maybe it is I can't remember where it

1281
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:35,600
quoted for saying well essentially we

1282
00:53:38,590 --> 00:53:37,010
live in a world without secrets at that

1283
00:53:42,130 --> 00:53:38,600
point and really we're already in that

1284
00:53:43,930 --> 00:53:42,140
world it's just we don't yet I asked how

1285
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:43,940
put off that question like you know like

1286
00:53:47,830 --> 00:53:45,410
I would I asked him actually did you

1287
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:47,840
ever really think twice about working

1288
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:49,250
for the intelligence community like you

1289
00:53:52,570 --> 00:53:50,570
know the information you're providing

1290
00:53:54,730 --> 00:53:52,580
could have been used to kill a terrorist

1291
00:53:56,830 --> 00:53:54,740
or could have been you know used for

1292
00:54:00,610 --> 00:53:56,840
some sort of negative end and and he

1293
00:54:02,410 --> 00:54:00,620
said you know I don't I don't regret

1294
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:02,420
working for u.s. intelligence in my life

1295
00:54:09,010 --> 00:54:05,440
because intelligence does not start wars

1296
00:54:10,570 --> 00:54:09,020
ignorant starts Wars and and I've always

1297
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:10,580
thought that was a really great quote

1298
00:54:14,530 --> 00:54:13,280
because it's you know we act as if like

1299
00:54:17,230 --> 00:54:14,540
oh we all have to have all of these

1300
00:54:19,090 --> 00:54:17,240
secrets and it's like well yeah but if

1301
00:54:21,220 --> 00:54:19,100
everybody has access to your secrets

1302
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:21,230
then everybody's on an equal playing

1303
00:54:25,870 --> 00:54:23,450
field you know and and I think that's

1304
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:25,880
that's really a start to this but but

1305
00:54:31,180 --> 00:54:27,440
but I wanted to interject and just say

1306
00:54:32,650 --> 00:54:31,190
that you know a lot of people don't know

1307
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,660
the exact sort of amount of time that

1308
00:54:35,859 --> 00:54:34,640
this went on but you know you know US

1309
00:54:41,499 --> 00:54:35,869
intelligence used from

1310
00:54:43,390 --> 00:54:41,509
viewing from 1974 through 1995 I mean

1311
00:54:45,789 --> 00:54:43,400
really 1975 was the official connect

1312
00:54:50,370 --> 00:54:45,799
start of the u.s. from a viewing program

1313
00:54:52,809 --> 00:54:50,380
that's the official record and my really

1314
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:52,819
mission when I was going and talking to

1315
00:54:56,140 --> 00:54:54,410
all these people was to find out like

1316
00:54:58,480 --> 00:54:56,150
you know like wait is this something

1317
00:55:00,670 --> 00:54:58,490
that they thought what they were still

1318
00:55:03,069 --> 00:55:00,680
doing and again and again the people who

1319
00:55:04,569 --> 00:55:03,079
were public with this already that you

1320
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:04,579
know the the main people like Joe

1321
00:55:10,029 --> 00:55:06,410
mcmoneagle and Russell and now put off

1322
00:55:12,039 --> 00:55:10,039
all told me that no they believed that

1323
00:55:15,009 --> 00:55:12,049
this was actually not going on because

1324
00:55:16,769 --> 00:55:15,019
it had been such a huge embarrassment

1325
00:55:21,210 --> 00:55:16,779
like the way that Brett mentioned

1326
00:55:24,190 --> 00:55:21,220
MKULTRA in what happened was in 1995

1327
00:55:26,349 --> 00:55:24,200
President Carter was giving a speech at

1328
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:26,359
Emory University and this is in our film

1329
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:29,119
which is top 5 on iTunes just as a

1330
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,130
reminder please go out and order it

1331
00:55:36,999 --> 00:55:33,920
Carter basically came out and said at a

1332
00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:37,009
speech he was giving somebody asked him

1333
00:55:40,539 --> 00:55:38,329
what's the weirdest thing you ever saw

1334
00:55:42,190 --> 00:55:40,549
as president and Carter said well you

1335
00:55:44,319 --> 00:55:42,200
know when I was president we had lost

1336
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:44,329
this Russian bomber in the jungle in the

1337
00:55:48,460 --> 00:55:46,249
Congo and this thing went down and it

1338
00:55:49,539 --> 00:55:48,470
had kind of a new design and we really

1339
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:49,549
wanted to get a hold of it but it was

1340
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:50,930
lost we couldn't nobody could find at

1341
00:55:55,420 --> 00:55:52,730
the KGB couldn't find it CIA couldn't

1342
00:55:56,829 --> 00:55:55,430
find it so the head of the CIA comes to

1343
00:55:58,650 --> 00:55:56,839
me one day and says you know there's

1344
00:56:00,880 --> 00:55:58,660
these psychics out in California and

1345
00:56:02,589 --> 00:56:00,890
maybe they can find your bomber for you

1346
00:56:05,410 --> 00:56:02,599
and I said well can't hurt let him try

1347
00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:05,420
and all I know is they brought back some

1348
00:56:09,279 --> 00:56:07,369
coordinates the coordinates were correct

1349
00:56:11,049 --> 00:56:09,289
we looked there we found the bomber and

1350
00:56:13,180 --> 00:56:11,059
that was the weirdest thing and and what

1351
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:13,190
Carter didn't realize he was doing is he

1352
00:56:20,410 --> 00:56:17,450
was outing a still ongoing initial

1353
00:56:22,539 --> 00:56:20,420
access project classified top secret you

1354
00:56:24,579 --> 00:56:22,549
know he didn't know that and and and so

1355
00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:24,589
instantly the CIA springs into action

1356
00:56:28,599 --> 00:56:27,049
and the CIA had actually only been

1357
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:28,609
officially involved the program at the

1358
00:56:32,589 --> 00:56:30,410
inception you know and then they sort of

1359
00:56:34,749 --> 00:56:32,599
backed off and dia defense intelligence

1360
00:56:37,930 --> 00:56:34,759
agency took the project over for many

1361
00:56:40,539 --> 00:56:37,940
years and CIA was asked to take it on

1362
00:56:43,479 --> 00:56:40,549
again and evaluate it and so that same

1363
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:43,489
year that cartage said that you know CIA

1364
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:44,960
evaluated it they brought in a very

1365
00:56:49,330 --> 00:56:47,569
well-known skeptic of sigh phenomenon by

1366
00:56:52,540 --> 00:56:49,340
the name of Ray Hyman

1367
00:56:55,090 --> 00:56:52,550
another person was brought in Julia

1368
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:55,100
Jessica Utz who was the president of the

1369
00:57:01,120 --> 00:56:57,920
American statistical Society and and

1370
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:01,130
they both looked at the data Jessica

1371
00:57:05,470 --> 00:57:02,960
said look the data says that remote

1372
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:05,480
viewing is real even Ray Hyman couldn't

1373
00:57:09,310 --> 00:57:07,010
deny that but he said I doubt that you

1374
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:09,320
could use it for anything but but the

1375
00:57:15,580 --> 00:57:12,530
thing is nobody was allowed to talk to

1376
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:15,590
any remote viewer nobody to talk to any

1377
00:57:21,850 --> 00:57:19,280
of the original researchers nobody ever

1378
00:57:23,260 --> 00:57:21,860
even opened the boxes in the Pentagon

1379
00:57:24,970 --> 00:57:23,270
I've heard this from several different

1380
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:24,980
different people now that were involved

1381
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:27,770
that the boxes remain sealed with all of

1382
00:57:31,810 --> 00:57:29,570
the remote viewing data of the last 20

1383
00:57:35,290 --> 00:57:31,820
years in it that was operational nobody

1384
00:57:38,410 --> 00:57:35,300
bothered to look so why is that because

1385
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:38,420
yeah it was inconvenient truths right

1386
00:57:43,930 --> 00:57:40,970
and and but hmm and I think part of it

1387
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:43,940
was a true embarrassment they didn't

1388
00:57:47,980 --> 00:57:45,680
want to win the Golden Fleece award for

1389
00:57:51,220 --> 00:57:47,990
you know spending money on the dumbest

1390
00:57:53,710 --> 00:57:51,230
you know special access project and they

1391
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:53,720
also didn't want this to get out

1392
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:55,280
publicly you know like that there that

1393
00:57:58,810 --> 00:57:57,170
just how effective it had been so very

1394
00:58:04,240 --> 00:57:58,820
quietly they canceled the program in

1395
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:04,250
1995 and and that was sort of officially

1396
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:06,410
the the the end of it after they

1397
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:09,890
released this report but but again we

1398
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:11,170
have to go back to this idea of

1399
00:58:15,460 --> 00:58:13,610
stovepiping you know if everything is

1400
00:58:18,820 --> 00:58:15,470
sort of compartmentalized when it comes

1401
00:58:21,310 --> 00:58:18,830
to intelligence and like Brett said the

1402
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:21,320
the entire time of this program's

1403
00:58:27,220 --> 00:58:24,110
existence the CIA was the most active

1404
00:58:28,780 --> 00:58:27,230
user of the information they tasked more

1405
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:28,790
targets than anybody else but at the

1406
00:58:33,700 --> 00:58:31,610
same time so did so did Secret Service

1407
00:58:34,330 --> 00:58:33,710
use this the Coast Guard used this very

1408
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:34,340
effectively

1409
00:58:40,210 --> 00:58:37,490
you know NSA you know I mean pretty much

1410
00:58:41,470 --> 00:58:40,220
every branch of US intelligence used

1411
00:58:45,010 --> 00:58:41,480
this very effectively

1412
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:45,020
so what wasn't there a couple attempts

1413
00:58:52,180 --> 00:58:47,930
to define the submarines that had gotten

1414
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:52,190
lost there was a this is in the this is

1415
00:58:56,530 --> 00:58:53,930
in our film third eye spies

1416
00:59:02,860 --> 00:58:56,540
you know Joe McManus considered a clever

1417
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:02,870
of me to know that the army had

1418
00:59:07,020 --> 00:59:04,010
he was probably their most well known

1419
00:59:09,340 --> 00:59:07,030
reviewer you know he's in their film and

1420
00:59:10,690 --> 00:59:09,350
he talks about the fact that he was

1421
00:59:14,170 --> 00:59:10,700
tasked to look at what was going on

1422
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:14,180
inside a giant building in in Russia

1423
00:59:18,850 --> 00:59:16,610
about three miles from the Seacoast and

1424
00:59:21,130 --> 00:59:18,860
and he starts coming back with all of

1425
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:21,140
this information about giant submarines

1426
00:59:25,690 --> 00:59:22,400
being built there that were probably

1427
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:25,700
twice the size of any submarine that was

1428
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:29,210
in existence at the time and CIA thought

1429
00:59:32,290 --> 00:59:31,130
he was crazy you know in sadhana they

1430
00:59:33,790 --> 00:59:32,300
can't be building and it's not even near

1431
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:33,800
the water why are they gonna build a you

1432
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:36,770
know a submarine way out there and he

1433
00:59:39,370 --> 00:59:38,210
goes nope you know here's the design of

1434
00:59:41,230 --> 00:59:39,380
it you know this is what it looks like

1435
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:41,240
you know it's got twin hulls and it's

1436
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:42,770
got a certain kind of torpedo that does

1437
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:44,930
this and blah blah blah all this data

1438
00:59:53,350 --> 00:59:49,970
and the person who tasked that was

1439
00:59:54,910 --> 00:59:53,360
Robert Gates you may be familiar with

1440
00:59:58,830 --> 00:59:54,920
Robert Gates he was Secretary of Defense

1441
01:00:00,610 --> 00:59:58,840
he was head of the CIA at one point and

1442
01:00:02,650 --> 01:00:00,620
Robert Gates said no I don't think

1443
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:02,660
there's anything there but go ahead I'll

1444
01:00:07,630 --> 01:00:05,090
I'll send us the satellite to look at

1445
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:07,640
that oh yeah because Joe told him it's

1446
01:00:12,220 --> 01:00:08,810
gonna launch in a hundred and twenty

1447
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:12,230
days so Gates orders the satellite to

1448
01:00:17,140 --> 01:00:14,810
look at that facility 115 days later and

1449
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:17,150
lo and behold the Soviets have built

1450
01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:20,890
this trench going three miles out to sea

1451
01:00:28,030 --> 01:00:25,310
and there was a giant submarine called a

1452
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:28,040
typhoon class I'm sorry what is it the

1453
01:00:33,100 --> 01:00:31,250
yeah TK 109 you know Soviet nuclear

1454
01:00:35,410 --> 01:00:33,110
submarine the biggest submarine ever

1455
01:00:37,420 --> 01:00:35,420
launched in history is sitting there

1456
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:37,430
with all the bay doors open and the

1457
01:00:41,410 --> 01:00:38,960
satellite is able to just go in there

1458
01:00:44,620 --> 01:00:41,420
and look at everything and according to

1459
01:00:47,350 --> 01:00:44,630
Joe they got more data than they had in

1460
01:00:48,970 --> 01:00:47,360
the entire archives of the CIA about

1461
01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:48,980
what was going on with the Soviet Navy

1462
01:00:56,590 --> 01:00:54,310
in that one task that he did and and so

1463
01:00:58,900 --> 01:00:56,600
you know it to say the remote viewing

1464
01:01:01,420 --> 01:00:58,910
doesn't work you know you may also I

1465
01:01:03,460 --> 01:01:01,430
mean another clip in our film you have

1466
01:01:05,620 --> 01:01:03,470
Robert Gates on Nightline at the time

1467
01:01:07,420 --> 01:01:05,630
that the program closed basically saying

1468
01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:07,430
oh yeah yeah

1469
01:01:10,990 --> 01:01:09,110
remote viewing it was something that you

1470
01:01:13,810 --> 01:01:11,000
know we tried we looked at it but it was

1471
01:01:15,070 --> 01:01:13,820
never useful for operational stuff well

1472
01:01:16,930 --> 01:01:15,080
you know we never actually got anything

1473
01:01:20,770 --> 01:01:16,940
that we actually acted

1474
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:20,780
on it's not true it's not true you know

1475
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:24,170
and I think it's even more so than I

1476
01:01:28,990 --> 01:01:28,130
mean one of the big kind of start things

1477
01:01:30,910 --> 01:01:29,000
that they realize that they could

1478
01:01:33,069 --> 01:01:30,920
describe these distant locations but

1479
01:01:36,339 --> 01:01:33,079
it's they took it even a step further

1480
01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:36,349
than that - and this comes with the Air

1481
01:01:41,170 --> 01:01:38,329
Force at the pass of the Air Force they

1482
01:01:44,530 --> 01:01:41,180
tasked s RI with they were interested in

1483
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:44,540
developing this underground railroad

1484
01:01:49,450 --> 01:01:47,119
system yes to transport yeah to

1485
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:49,460
transport nuclear warheads back and

1486
01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:51,200
forth the different silos so that

1487
01:01:55,420 --> 01:01:52,609
because in the Cold War they are always

1488
01:01:57,700 --> 01:01:55,430
all about okay if they take out our you

1489
01:01:59,140 --> 01:01:57,710
know first strike capability then we're

1490
01:02:00,700 --> 01:01:59,150
sitting ducks and so how can we

1491
01:02:02,380 --> 01:02:00,710
counteract that so the Air Force had

1492
01:02:05,380 --> 01:02:02,390
this grand idea to build this

1493
01:02:06,700 --> 01:02:05,390
underground railroad system transport

1494
01:02:08,589 --> 01:02:06,710
the nukes back and forth or random

1495
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:08,599
nobody will know where they are and so

1496
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:09,770
they're like okay huh

1497
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:11,690
well let's see if this works let's test

1498
01:02:15,370 --> 01:02:13,730
these psychics out on the they're

1499
01:02:18,609 --> 01:02:15,380
working with these physicists to see if

1500
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:18,619
they can crack this code and originally

1501
01:02:23,319 --> 01:02:22,250
they set it up to be a test on a monitor

1502
01:02:24,970 --> 01:02:23,329
that you know they did like some

1503
01:02:27,370 --> 01:02:24,980
preliminary testing where they'd have

1504
01:02:29,530 --> 01:02:27,380
ten circles on a monitor representing

1505
01:02:31,210 --> 01:02:29,540
ten different possible places that the

1506
01:02:33,609 --> 01:02:31,220
nuclear missile the warhead could be and

1507
01:02:36,339 --> 01:02:33,619
the viewer was asked to essentially

1508
01:02:38,410 --> 01:02:36,349
press a button to indicate which circle

1509
01:02:40,990 --> 01:02:38,420
they believed that the imaginary war had

1510
01:02:43,450 --> 01:02:41,000
to be located and if you're thinking of

1511
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:43,460
just random chance I mean it's easy to

1512
01:02:47,140 --> 01:02:44,810
figure out what you would expect right

1513
01:02:49,210 --> 01:02:47,150
it's a one in ten chance every single

1514
01:02:53,170 --> 01:02:49,220
time so you'd expect that in the results

1515
01:02:55,150 --> 01:02:53,180
hella Hammad the controller no viewer

1516
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:55,160
not one of the professionals like

1517
01:03:00,130 --> 01:02:57,680
naturally gifted psychics the control in

1518
01:03:03,250 --> 01:03:00,140
the study was able to reach an accuracy

1519
01:03:06,099 --> 01:03:03,260
rate of one in four not one in ten and

1520
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:06,109
so they read they returned these results

1521
01:03:11,500 --> 01:03:08,810
and like oh okay well why don't we why

1522
01:03:14,620 --> 01:03:11,510
do we do alive let's do a hot test so

1523
01:03:17,530 --> 01:03:14,630
they did a live test is what they set up

1524
01:03:19,540 --> 01:03:17,540
against a real-world missile silo and

1525
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:19,550
there were ten remote viewing trials and

1526
01:03:26,109 --> 01:03:22,730
they used the team to determine where

1527
01:03:30,340 --> 01:03:26,119
this would be and out of all twelve

1528
01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:30,350
trials they achieved a 100% accurate

1529
01:03:38,260 --> 01:03:32,960
rating that's that's a probability of

1530
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:38,270
one in a trillion and now that didn't

1531
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:40,610
sit well with the Air Force so there you

1532
01:03:45,370 --> 01:03:42,880
know quietly just be ended that project

1533
01:03:47,470 --> 01:03:45,380
classified it and we're like okay we're

1534
01:03:49,390 --> 01:03:47,480
done we're not going to do that so like

1535
01:03:51,070 --> 01:03:49,400
to say that this doesn't work and not

1536
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:51,080
only not work but you can't use it to

1537
01:03:55,930 --> 01:03:53,450
strategically solve problems that you

1538
01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:55,940
otherwise there'd be no possible way to

1539
01:04:00,850 --> 01:03:58,130
actually solve like that's the real

1540
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:00,860
power of this skill and what it was

1541
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:02,690
applied to and what people are still

1542
01:04:09,850 --> 01:04:06,850
applying it to today mm-hmm I actually

1543
01:04:12,580 --> 01:04:09,860
I'm sorry to interject go ahead to just

1544
01:04:14,020 --> 01:04:12,590
add to that story because it's great

1545
01:04:16,660 --> 01:04:14,030
that you brought that story up because I

1546
01:04:18,790 --> 01:04:16,670
actually forgot that that story is the

1547
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:18,800
other reason that the remote viewing

1548
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:21,680
program was cancelled really I wasn't

1549
01:04:24,610 --> 01:04:22,130
aware of that

1550
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:24,620
yes I I've talked to at length to

1551
01:04:30,190 --> 01:04:27,650
Charlie tart about this and actually you

1552
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:30,200
know Charlie tart a parapsychologist you

1553
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:32,290
know professor at I believe it's

1554
01:04:36,550 --> 01:04:34,880
Berkeley you know a long time SR I

1555
01:04:39,300 --> 01:04:36,560
consultant for this kind of stuff

1556
01:04:42,430 --> 01:04:39,310
written many books is in the movie

1557
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:42,440
he you may also not know that this all

1558
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:45,280
started with a group of college students

1559
01:04:52,900 --> 01:04:50,000
Charlie tart had a class at the college

1560
01:04:54,730 --> 01:04:52,910
he was teaching at and decided that he

1561
01:04:56,620 --> 01:04:54,740
wanted to do a remote viewing experiment

1562
01:05:00,400 --> 01:04:56,630
in the psychology class and he was

1563
01:05:02,650 --> 01:05:00,410
teaching so he knew this information

1564
01:05:04,510 --> 01:05:02,660
about this underground you know missile

1565
01:05:06,730 --> 01:05:04,520
silo you know that they were gonna

1566
01:05:08,650 --> 01:05:06,740
basically move these nukes around on on

1567
01:05:12,130 --> 01:05:08,660
boxcars to prevent the Soviets from

1568
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:12,140
being able to properly target them so he

1569
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:13,760
built that a machine that was the

1570
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:14,930
earliest version of what you're talking

1571
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:16,490
about this like kind of like 10 button

1572
01:05:21,820 --> 01:05:18,110
thing look like a roulette wheel kinda

1573
01:05:23,410 --> 01:05:21,830
and and he found that I I don't know

1574
01:05:24,940 --> 01:05:23,420
exactly what the statistics were but

1575
01:05:26,980 --> 01:05:24,950
something like seven out of nine times

1576
01:05:30,310 --> 01:05:26,990
or something like that that that his

1577
01:05:32,380 --> 01:05:30,320
students could predict where the missile

1578
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:32,390
was gonna be you know and in this kind

1579
01:05:34,210 --> 01:05:33,170
of shell game

1580
01:05:36,460 --> 01:05:34,220
you know this missile shell game they're

1581
01:05:40,900 --> 01:05:36,470
gonna try to play and and so he sent

1582
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:40,910
that data to SR I and at the time SR I

1583
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:43,280
was looking for funding and things like

1584
01:05:45,980 --> 01:05:44,130
that so

1585
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:45,990
why does some more experiments and they

1586
01:05:49,100 --> 01:05:47,850
sent it to the all the data to the Air

1587
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:49,110
Force actually to somebody in the

1588
01:05:55,300 --> 01:05:53,610
president's cabinet and and the generals

1589
01:05:58,550 --> 01:05:55,310
who were in charge of this

1590
01:06:01,910 --> 01:05:58,560
multibillion-dollar scheme that they

1591
01:06:06,020 --> 01:06:01,920
were gonna do were furious at SR I high

1592
01:06:07,940 --> 01:06:06,030
by bet yeah this guy like rained on

1593
01:06:09,650 --> 01:06:07,950
their like nuclear parade basically I

1594
01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:09,660
mean they were gonna do this like big

1595
01:06:14,060 --> 01:06:12,510
thing and and so yes they canceled the

1596
01:06:17,540 --> 01:06:14,070
program and that was right around the

1597
01:06:19,370 --> 01:06:17,550
time that they they basically canceled

1598
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:19,380
the rest as well and and and because the

1599
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:21,450
generals were advocating for it to be

1600
01:06:24,590 --> 01:06:22,890
cancelled just because simply they were

1601
01:06:26,450 --> 01:06:24,600
pissed off that they lost their their

1602
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:26,460
multi-billion dollar contract and they

1603
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:28,170
well they had the rug pulled out from

1604
01:06:32,210 --> 01:06:30,450
under them right now regardless Taplin

1605
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:32,220
and usefulness of remote viewing they

1606
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:34,850
had to probably invent Dedham United I

1607
01:06:40,670 --> 01:06:38,160
know it's time until they kill the

1608
01:06:42,290 --> 01:06:40,680
messenger no it's absolutely true there

1609
01:06:44,570 --> 01:06:42,300
were than Dennis like that there was

1610
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:44,580
tons of infighting they had allies and

1611
01:06:48,770 --> 01:06:47,250
they also had like real enemies yeah you

1612
01:06:51,860 --> 01:06:48,780
know in the intelligence community in it

1613
01:06:55,820 --> 01:06:51,870
and in high places because a lot of it

1614
01:06:57,620 --> 01:06:55,830
was was just sort of dogma you know some

1615
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:57,630
of it was was actually religious dogma I

1616
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:00,000
mean when I first brought the idea of

1617
01:07:04,910 --> 01:07:02,850
doing third eye spies up to Russell Targ

1618
01:07:06,410 --> 01:07:04,920
and we were talking about it I said yeah

1619
01:07:07,970 --> 01:07:06,420
he's giving me all this data and all

1620
01:07:11,210 --> 01:07:07,980
this information and I said okay hold on

1621
01:07:12,830 --> 01:07:11,220
I'm a storyteller just just tell me

1622
01:07:14,510 --> 01:07:12,840
who's the villain like you know like

1623
01:07:16,430 --> 01:07:14,520
who's the bad guy in this piece like

1624
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:16,440
what's the the thing that we can sort of

1625
01:07:22,790 --> 01:07:19,170
root to kind of overcome and and he says

1626
01:07:24,170 --> 01:07:22,800
well it's religious dogma and I said

1627
01:07:25,610 --> 01:07:24,180
religious dogma is that don't you mean

1628
01:07:27,290 --> 01:07:25,620
like science at times so he got me says

1629
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:27,300
yeah that too but but really it was the

1630
01:07:32,740 --> 01:07:30,450
the hardcore sort of religious

1631
01:07:35,930 --> 01:07:32,750
fundamentalists that were in government

1632
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:35,940
so much refused to look at the data you

1633
01:07:41,810 --> 01:07:38,250
know and and and they were constantly

1634
01:07:43,310 --> 01:07:41,820
trying to shut that program down and and

1635
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:43,320
and you know the government and

1636
01:07:46,460 --> 01:07:44,850
especially elected officials overseeing

1637
01:07:48,380 --> 01:07:46,470
this stuff even at top secret levels

1638
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:48,390
didn't want to deal with the flack from

1639
01:07:53,660 --> 01:07:50,640
the people underneath them so that

1640
01:07:55,070 --> 01:07:53,670
really contributed a great deal to sort

1641
01:07:57,620 --> 01:07:55,080
of it not being used to its fullest

1642
01:07:58,940 --> 01:07:57,630
extent did did

1643
01:08:00,349 --> 01:07:58,950
did they think that they were dealing

1644
01:08:05,319 --> 01:08:00,359
you know like with the devil or

1645
01:08:08,450 --> 01:08:05,329
something like that absolutely yeah well

1646
01:08:11,180 --> 01:08:08,460
believe it or not towards the end of it

1647
01:08:14,450 --> 01:08:11,190
it's like the UFO field the UFO field is

1648
01:08:16,820 --> 01:08:14,460
the same way one of the the elements in

1649
01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:16,830
the that was discouraging I mean the

1650
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:19,049
serious research was the fact that there

1651
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:22,319
was a whole group of individuals in the

1652
01:08:27,890 --> 01:08:25,679
Pentagon and in other positions and the

1653
01:08:30,620 --> 01:08:27,900
government who thought that this was all

1654
01:08:33,379 --> 01:08:30,630
demonic and you know the more you

1655
01:08:38,419 --> 01:08:33,389
researched it the more you could open up

1656
01:08:40,519 --> 01:08:38,429
the the portals to hell one of the

1657
01:08:42,590 --> 01:08:40,529
things that is maybe lesser known about

1658
01:08:45,709 --> 01:08:42,600
towards the end of the program there's a

1659
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:45,719
number of accounts where you know in the

1660
01:08:49,610 --> 01:08:47,730
late 90s that I mean is after all the

1661
01:08:51,140 --> 01:08:49,620
researchers had left all the original

1662
01:08:54,110 --> 01:08:51,150
members had already moved on to other

1663
01:08:56,660 --> 01:08:54,120
things but where they had a little bit

1664
01:08:58,910 --> 01:08:56,670
of a change in direction in management

1665
01:09:00,379 --> 01:08:58,920
of the what was referred to as the

1666
01:09:03,379 --> 01:09:00,389
Stargate program at that point before

1667
01:09:06,860 --> 01:09:03,389
was Declassified 95 and what they

1668
01:09:09,289 --> 01:09:06,870
decided to do was also to fill in their

1669
01:09:12,379 --> 01:09:09,299
ranks was to bring in other people that

1670
01:09:14,689 --> 01:09:12,389
were not necessarily remote viewers they

1671
01:09:17,570 --> 01:09:14,699
were using Ouija boards or other things

1672
01:09:19,309 --> 01:09:17,580
and so that was not that did not

1673
01:09:20,749 --> 01:09:19,319
originate out of the original scientific

1674
01:09:23,419 --> 01:09:20,759
research and regardless of what you

1675
01:09:24,979 --> 01:09:23,429
think about that that I'm sure that play

1676
01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:24,989
must have played some part of it it

1677
01:09:29,809 --> 01:09:27,089
played to people's fears maybe that OSI

1678
01:09:31,729 --> 01:09:29,819
aha now I can now I know for sure that

1679
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:31,739
this is the act of the devil and you

1680
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:33,810
know they can glug glaze over

1681
01:09:38,209 --> 01:09:36,449
essentially the 20 years of scientific

1682
01:09:40,039 --> 01:09:38,219
research that was put into developing

1683
01:09:41,780 --> 01:09:40,049
this skill so maybe that even played a

1684
01:09:44,450 --> 01:09:41,790
part as well well I think what what

1685
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:44,460
you're the the byproduct of what you're

1686
01:09:48,499 --> 01:09:46,770
talking about is that the army at that

1687
01:09:50,930 --> 01:09:48,509
time towards the end of the program like

1688
01:09:52,999 --> 01:09:50,940
in the early 90s was being choked off of

1689
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:53,009
funding so they probably couldn't really

1690
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:55,290
find you know they couldn't do any kind

1691
01:09:58,399 --> 01:09:57,090
of real recruitment cuz they were just

1692
01:09:59,330 --> 01:09:58,409
grabbing like whoever they could to come

1693
01:10:00,890 --> 01:09:59,340
in and this was actually a theme

1694
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:00,900
throughout because they found anybody

1695
01:10:03,709 --> 01:10:02,730
could do this you know anybody could do

1696
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:03,719
this and they would describe you know

1697
01:10:08,540 --> 01:10:05,130
various people and have them do it and

1698
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:08,550
and a lot of the the biggest remote

1699
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:10,320
viewers that we know publicly have said

1700
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:11,040
they're not doing

1701
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:13,890
still but but the thing is both Brett

1702
01:10:18,740 --> 01:10:15,930
and you and I know it's not that hard to

1703
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:18,750
do you know you know so so you don't

1704
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:20,850
need billions of dollars you don't need

1705
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:22,800
congressional oversight you could have a

1706
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:24,960
book club that meets on Wednesdays and

1707
01:10:27,980 --> 01:10:26,610
says okay let's remote view what's going

1708
01:10:29,810 --> 01:10:27,990
on and then you just double-check that

1709
01:10:32,060 --> 01:10:29,820
with the intelligence community see if

1710
01:10:33,710 --> 01:10:32,070
they're right or not and then wallah

1711
01:10:35,540 --> 01:10:33,720
you have your own fair I mean there are

1712
01:10:38,030 --> 01:10:35,550
groups public groups all around the

1713
01:10:40,610 --> 01:10:38,040
world that know learn how to do it like

1714
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:40,620
with over a thousand people in them that

1715
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:42,840
use remote viewing on the market they

1716
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:44,490
predict market trends and there's a lot

1717
01:10:48,260 --> 01:10:46,530
of these groups that have over 70%

1718
01:10:50,330 --> 01:10:48,270
accurate or accuracy rating you know on

1719
01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:50,340
future predictions we have it up we have

1720
01:10:54,380 --> 01:10:53,040
an extra on a night on YouTube on my

1721
01:10:56,150 --> 01:10:54,390
YouTube page right now

1722
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:56,160
I've spent a week following those guys

1723
01:11:00,040 --> 01:10:57,930
that are doing gambling experiments the

1724
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:00,050
Applied precognition project in Vegas

1725
01:11:03,140 --> 01:11:02,730
I'm doing a 20-minute mini documentary

1726
01:11:05,390 --> 01:11:03,150
on it

1727
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:05,400
you know and that's on there so so so

1728
01:11:09,710 --> 01:11:07,110
but but the thing is Brett even you

1729
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:09,720
could be tasked doing a classified work

1730
01:11:12,380 --> 01:11:11,250
right now and you may not know it you

1731
01:11:14,330 --> 01:11:12,390
may be thinking you're working for a

1732
01:11:15,710 --> 01:11:14,340
corporation or someone else you know but

1733
01:11:17,780 --> 01:11:15,720
somebody from the CIA says yeah these

1734
01:11:19,610 --> 01:11:17,790
guys accuracies pretty good let me just

1735
01:11:21,890 --> 01:11:19,620
feed them this data and then see what

1736
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:21,900
they come back with and and I like let

1737
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:23,280
me let me let me interrupt you here

1738
01:11:26,540 --> 01:11:24,930
because unfortunately we have to go to

1739
01:11:28,580 --> 01:11:26,550
our bottom of the hour break when we

1740
01:11:30,980 --> 01:11:28,590
come back I'll let you continue that

1741
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:30,990
thought on exploring the desires stay

1742
01:11:46,650 --> 01:11:44,070
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1743
01:11:49,950 --> 01:11:46,660
two of the most electrifying researchers

1744
01:11:55,380 --> 01:11:49,960
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1745
01:11:57,900 --> 01:11:55,390
Lee and Kings hosts all right welcome

1746
01:11:59,670 --> 01:11:57,910
back to exploring the bazaar yeah let's

1747
01:12:02,040 --> 01:11:59,680
eat tonight we're talking about remote

1748
01:12:05,550 --> 01:12:02,050
viewing with Lance munguia and Brett

1749
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:05,560
Stewart and Lance this is this is for

1750
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:09,040
Tim Beckley I know that he loves this

1751
01:12:14,910 --> 01:12:10,770
kind of stuff

1752
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:14,920
tell us the story about you talked to in

1753
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:17,760
the last segment about Jimmy Carter

1754
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:21,570
accidentally blowing the cover on the

1755
01:12:26,490 --> 01:12:24,370
remote viewing projects tell us a story

1756
01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:26,500
about the little bit of synchronicity

1757
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:30,880
that you had when trying to dig up the

1758
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:33,850
information or try to find a source for

1759
01:12:37,890 --> 01:12:36,730
this story well you know somebody must

1760
01:12:39,390 --> 01:12:37,900
have seen something else I've done

1761
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:39,400
because I hardly ever talk about this

1762
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:41,050
but but yeah I mean there were a few

1763
01:12:45,060 --> 01:12:42,850
like amazing synchronistic things that

1764
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:45,070
happened as I was making this film I was

1765
01:12:50,940 --> 01:12:47,920
I had heard this information that um

1766
01:12:52,140 --> 01:12:50,950
that Carter had outed this program again

1767
01:12:53,730 --> 01:12:52,150
and again from different people and

1768
01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:53,740
interviews and and you know I looked

1769
01:12:57,930 --> 01:12:55,450
everywhere for the source information I

1770
01:13:00,510 --> 01:12:57,940
was trying so Russell said came from CNN

1771
01:13:02,100 --> 01:13:00,520
I couldn't find the clip of Carter

1772
01:13:04,710 --> 01:13:02,110
saying it on CNN

1773
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:04,720
you know I looked in newspapers you know

1774
01:13:12,530 --> 01:13:07,440
all of these different things and and

1775
01:13:14,580 --> 01:13:12,540
the the I even spoke to help put off who

1776
01:13:16,650 --> 01:13:14,590
you know his wife went to Emory

1777
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:16,660
University and and and his wife actually

1778
01:13:19,530 --> 01:13:18,370
volunteered and said well I'll go back

1779
01:13:21,060 --> 01:13:19,540
to Emory and I'll look through their

1780
01:13:23,310 --> 01:13:21,070
archives I'm gonna send out an email to

1781
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:23,320
the Alumni Association to see if anybody

1782
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:25,570
was there or might have a tape recording

1783
01:13:30,660 --> 01:13:29,170
of it or something and and luckily the

1784
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:30,670
film took like several years to make

1785
01:13:34,620 --> 01:13:33,250
because I would tell even friends this

1786
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:34,630
story about Carter and they would say oh

1787
01:13:38,460 --> 01:13:36,370
come on Carter didn't say that really

1788
01:13:40,830 --> 01:13:38,470
where's your proof you know and and then

1789
01:13:41,550 --> 01:13:40,840
one day I was walking down the street in

1790
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:41,560
Pasadena

1791
01:13:45,300 --> 01:13:42,970
you know nearby where I lived at the

1792
01:13:46,410 --> 01:13:45,310
time and and I was thinking about this

1793
01:13:48,090 --> 01:13:46,420
and I was thinking oh man

1794
01:13:50,670 --> 01:13:48,100
I really need to find some way of

1795
01:13:52,740 --> 01:13:50,680
verifying this for the film and I sat

1796
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:52,750
down in front of Robyn's books there and

1797
01:13:57,150 --> 01:13:54,490
I and I looked up and there's this big

1798
01:13:59,700 --> 01:13:57,160
giant poster of Jimmy Carter's face you

1799
01:14:04,470 --> 01:13:59,710
know his autobiography my life had just

1800
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:04,480
come out and and and I said you know wow

1801
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:06,370
that's that's interesting you know like

1802
01:14:10,950 --> 01:14:08,170
what's what's that and so I so I ran

1803
01:14:12,510 --> 01:14:10,960
inside I got the book I opened it up and

1804
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:12,520
I and I literally almost opened it up to

1805
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:15,610
the exact page it says you know um

1806
01:14:20,340 --> 01:14:18,850
clairvoyance you know in the CIA and or

1807
01:14:23,190 --> 01:14:20,350
something like that and and and like

1808
01:14:25,470 --> 01:14:23,200
Carter actually wrote a few pages of his

1809
01:14:27,930 --> 01:14:25,480
book about finding the downed Russian

1810
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:27,940
bomber confirming everything and and

1811
01:14:33,210 --> 01:14:31,330
then Hal sends me this you know clip of

1812
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:33,220
Jimmy Carter actually saying it you know

1813
01:14:37,020 --> 01:14:35,530
that he got and then I literally am on

1814
01:14:39,390 --> 01:14:37,030
the phone to Russel immediately can you

1815
01:14:41,730 --> 01:14:39,400
come out to LA Jimmy Carter is gonna be

1816
01:14:43,470 --> 01:14:41,740
here signing books in like a week and

1817
01:14:46,410 --> 01:14:43,480
Russell's like absolutely all booked a

1818
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:46,420
flight you know so we actually like you

1819
01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:47,890
know got to meet Carter and you know

1820
01:14:51,450 --> 01:14:50,080
briefly talk to him and you know just

1821
01:14:53,970 --> 01:14:51,460
kind of shake his hand and stuff but it

1822
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:53,980
was perfect for the film you know and it

1823
01:14:57,140 --> 01:14:55,360
was completely just a synchronicity that

1824
01:15:00,600 --> 01:14:57,150
happened it was it was amazing

1825
01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:00,610
well you know synchronicities play a

1826
01:15:08,700 --> 01:15:04,450
huge part in in in in the paranormal and

1827
01:15:11,820 --> 01:15:08,710
and in UFOs I I did a book it's 450

1828
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:11,830
pages it's the mind control matrix of

1829
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:14,560
philip k dick and the synchronicities of

1830
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:17,440
tim Beckley i have had so many

1831
01:15:21,810 --> 01:15:20,290
synchronicities and we're not talking

1832
01:15:24,090 --> 01:15:21,820
about thinking is somebody and they call

1833
01:15:26,610 --> 01:15:24,100
on the phone the next day or waking up

1834
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:26,620
and seeing the Coxes four four four one

1835
01:15:29,610 --> 01:15:27,850
one whatever that means

1836
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:29,620
yeah I'm not even sure what this Lee I

1837
01:15:34,650 --> 01:15:32,610
mean except that is axel oohed Lee a

1838
01:15:37,410 --> 01:15:34,660
mind-boggling and I don't want to take

1839
01:15:39,870 --> 01:15:37,420
the time here because it's a it's your

1840
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:39,880
show and we have plenty of programs

1841
01:15:48,060 --> 01:15:44,050
archived kco our radio calm and on our

1842
01:15:50,670 --> 01:15:48,070
youtube channel mr. UFO secret file that

1843
01:15:55,490 --> 01:15:50,680
go into this and it's absolutely amazing

1844
01:15:58,140 --> 01:15:55,500
some of this somewhere someone is

1845
01:15:59,970 --> 01:15:58,150
programming some of this now I don't

1846
01:16:02,250 --> 01:15:59,980
know whether they're pro you

1847
01:16:04,350 --> 01:16:02,260
they're in some spaceship or in some

1848
01:16:09,300 --> 01:16:04,360
other dimension or setting in the on the

1849
01:16:13,050 --> 01:16:09,310
top of a tree somewhere or whether it

1850
01:16:15,780 --> 01:16:13,060
was set up a million years ago or at the

1851
01:16:18,900 --> 01:16:15,790
beginning of creation and maybe they

1852
01:16:21,540 --> 01:16:18,910
come back every once in a you know like

1853
01:16:23,820 --> 01:16:21,550
20 centuries or something to make sure

1854
01:16:26,550 --> 01:16:23,830
that the the matrix is still here and

1855
01:16:29,370 --> 01:16:26,560
the computer is still working I mean

1856
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:29,380
there's no way to real really explain it

1857
01:16:34,710 --> 01:16:31,450
but it also has a lot to do with not

1858
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:34,720
only with UFOs but also with the with

1859
01:16:38,970 --> 01:16:36,489
life on the other side if you even

1860
01:16:41,490 --> 01:16:38,980
though you know life sure yeah ya know

1861
01:16:44,420 --> 01:16:41,500
you mentioned I think that while we were

1862
01:16:48,420 --> 01:16:44,430
on a break that you had a UFO experience

1863
01:16:50,580 --> 01:16:48,430
I I have but I actually had a few you

1864
01:16:52,020 --> 01:16:50,590
know um you know but but it's it's you

1865
01:16:55,890 --> 01:16:52,030
know unexplainable I mean you know

1866
01:16:58,979 --> 01:16:55,900
unidentified flying off yet but the

1867
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:58,989
thing is I've had many many experiences

1868
01:17:03,390 --> 01:17:01,360
in through consciousness you know I mean

1869
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:03,400
just just you know odd things will

1870
01:17:06,210 --> 01:17:04,570
happen synchronicity is like you're

1871
01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:06,220
saying you know and the evidence

1872
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:10,960
suggests that we are not as linear as we

1873
01:17:16,170 --> 01:17:13,120
think you know we are we are not as

1874
01:17:18,450 --> 01:17:16,180
solid as we think you know if if I can

1875
01:17:20,970 --> 01:17:18,460
use my mind to go reach out to the rings

1876
01:17:23,250 --> 01:17:20,980
of Jupiter and see them before any human

1877
01:17:26,340 --> 01:17:23,260
being ever has that suggest that there's

1878
01:17:27,810 --> 01:17:26,350
a part of me that's already there you

1879
01:17:30,750 --> 01:17:27,820
know and and if you can wrap your head

1880
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:30,760
around that then then maybe something

1881
01:17:35,850 --> 01:17:32,770
like the afterlife is real you know

1882
01:17:37,710 --> 01:17:35,860
maybe all it takes to make a connection

1883
01:17:40,620 --> 01:17:37,720
with another culture living on another

1884
01:17:43,140 --> 01:17:40,630
planet is to simply use your imagination

1885
01:17:44,430 --> 01:17:43,150
you know like this is an imaginary tool

1886
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:44,440
that we're talking about in remote

1887
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:46,930
viewing it's not real you know I mean I

1888
01:17:50,460 --> 01:17:48,850
could I could sum it up Superman in my

1889
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:50,470
head and have him go off and do the work

1890
01:17:53,670 --> 01:17:51,730
for me and come back if I really

1891
01:17:55,650 --> 01:17:53,680
believed that you know and my thoughts

1892
01:17:57,810 --> 01:17:55,660
were very coherent and I was grounded

1893
01:18:00,240 --> 01:17:57,820
and I had a sense of reality that was

1894
01:18:02,250 --> 01:18:00,250
not unbalanced it doesn't take much

1895
01:18:05,190 --> 01:18:02,260
Olmec monocle sits there in remote views

1896
01:18:06,810 --> 01:18:05,200
during commercials for Jeopardy you know

1897
01:18:09,630 --> 01:18:06,820
he doesn't need to go into a deep dark

1898
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:09,640
state and take LSD and really get into

1899
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:11,290
it you know it's just part of being

1900
01:18:16,860 --> 01:18:13,690
human

1901
01:18:19,220 --> 01:18:16,870
most the best remote viewing data I've

1902
01:18:22,650 --> 01:18:19,230
ever seen has come from completely awake

1903
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:22,660
completely aware hi attention management

1904
01:18:27,710 --> 01:18:25,690
remote viewers and you can just the that

1905
01:18:32,130 --> 01:18:27,720
those kind of individuals can produce

1906
01:18:34,500 --> 01:18:32,140
incredibly detailed reports on sites

1907
01:18:37,020 --> 01:18:34,510
locations what's going on at those sites

1908
01:18:38,940 --> 01:18:37,030
the purposes the origins I mean you can

1909
01:18:40,890 --> 01:18:38,950
trace it any which way you want to go as

1910
01:18:42,750 --> 01:18:40,900
a project manager what do you you know

1911
01:18:44,430 --> 01:18:42,760
okay go look at this oh what's this

1912
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:44,440
thing over here oh what's this thing

1913
01:18:48,300 --> 01:18:46,000
over here now and it's like you're

1914
01:18:50,670 --> 01:18:48,310
zooming in with a microscope with the

1915
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:50,680
worx it to pull out all the information

1916
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:51,760
you would ever need to be able to

1917
01:18:56,550 --> 01:18:54,130
describe what's going on and now

1918
01:18:58,350 --> 01:18:56,560
obviously there's certain error

1919
01:19:00,660 --> 01:18:58,360
correcting mechanisms that's built into

1920
01:19:02,610 --> 01:19:00,670
the techniques that that takes into

1921
01:19:04,860 --> 01:19:02,620
account for imagination and mental noise

1922
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:04,870
and all that's part of the process but

1923
01:19:07,770 --> 01:19:06,250
at the same time it's like you know

1924
01:19:09,480 --> 01:19:07,780
what's possible is you can do some

1925
01:19:12,030 --> 01:19:09,490
pretty amazing things and you know you

1926
01:19:14,370 --> 01:19:12,040
mentioned this does kind of a side he

1927
01:19:18,260 --> 01:19:14,380
said you know you saw a UFO you know the

1928
01:19:22,020 --> 01:19:18,270
reason I got in to remote viewing in

1929
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:22,030
2010 was because I saw a triangle go

1930
01:19:26,580 --> 01:19:24,130
over my head and take off at warp speed

1931
01:19:29,490 --> 01:19:26,590
in San Francisco Bay Area in the middle

1932
01:19:31,860 --> 01:19:29,500
of the night and that was one of the I

1933
01:19:34,710 --> 01:19:31,870
would classify as a reality breaking

1934
01:19:37,710 --> 01:19:34,720
experience that showed me that I really

1935
01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:37,720
had no idea about anything about

1936
01:19:43,140 --> 01:19:40,450
anything and so suddenly you know you

1937
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:43,150
know when college educated you know or

1938
01:19:48,170 --> 01:19:44,890
art degree whatever it's like okay

1939
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:48,180
obviously I don't I don't know anything

1940
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:53,890
that's a good rate philosophy so I just

1941
01:19:57,060 --> 01:19:55,840
started researching I just started

1942
01:19:58,590 --> 01:19:57,070
reading I was open-minded about all

1943
01:20:01,020 --> 01:19:58,600
these things I'd closed off to and I had

1944
01:20:02,940 --> 01:20:01,030
heard on a late-night radio show this

1945
01:20:06,090 --> 01:20:02,950
thing called remote viewing it was like

1946
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:06,100
I wonder if that thing is real and so

1947
01:20:09,950 --> 01:20:07,810
then that started that journey and I'm

1948
01:20:12,380 --> 01:20:09,960
you know I ended up where I am today and

1949
01:20:15,870 --> 01:20:12,390
you know what things I think about

1950
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:15,880
Lance's film which is so fantastic is is

1951
01:20:19,620 --> 01:20:17,770
that it's something that's worked well

1952
01:20:21,870 --> 01:20:19,630
for now I'm looking at this thing on my

1953
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:21,880
phone as we're here it is now top four

1954
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:24,730
on the iTunes documentary charge Thank

1955
01:20:29,380 --> 01:20:26,930
You audience listeners

1956
01:20:30,940 --> 01:20:29,390
you know you guys are helping yeah and

1957
01:20:32,620 --> 01:20:30,950
and you know it's like one of the things

1958
01:20:34,510 --> 01:20:32,630
I said this and one of the breaks of

1959
01:20:37,420 --> 01:20:34,520
what think about Lance's film that's so

1960
01:20:38,890 --> 01:20:37,430
fantastic is it's if someone came to me

1961
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:38,900
before about and want to know about

1962
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:40,130
remote viewing you know I could have a

1963
01:20:43,450 --> 01:20:41,840
discussion I can give my experiences I

1964
01:20:45,580 --> 01:20:43,460
can try and break it down in layman's

1965
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:45,590
terms to give them an understanding the

1966
01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:47,210
only other way to really get the full

1967
01:20:50,380 --> 01:20:49,040
story though these days would be I'll go

1968
01:20:52,180 --> 01:20:50,390
read a book you know here's that here's

1969
01:20:54,250 --> 01:20:52,190
a 300 page book about the history

1970
01:20:56,230 --> 01:20:54,260
someone who was in the program etc but

1971
01:20:57,970 --> 01:20:56,240
who's gonna do that who has a time for

1972
01:21:00,370 --> 01:20:57,980
that most people unless they're already

1973
01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:00,380
interested in it already but what's cool

1974
01:21:05,410 --> 01:21:02,450
about this film third eye spies is that

1975
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:05,420
I can now point to his film and I say go

1976
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:07,370
watch that two-hour documentary it's

1977
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:08,330
amazing

1978
01:21:13,540 --> 01:21:11,090
it shows the evidence it does it in a

1979
01:21:15,010 --> 01:21:13,550
compelling way and it's gonna you're

1980
01:21:16,990 --> 01:21:15,020
gonna basically be able to get the pulse

1981
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:17,000
of what this remote viewing thing is by

1982
01:21:20,380 --> 01:21:19,010
going and watching it and as a result of

1983
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:20,390
this I mean just in the sense it was

1984
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:21,890
released you know talk about

1985
01:21:25,660 --> 01:21:24,410
synchronicity you know you guys reached

1986
01:21:26,980 --> 01:21:25,670
out to me two months ago I had no idea

1987
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:26,990
this was even lining up the show with

1988
01:21:30,970 --> 01:21:28,970
this film but one of the things is like

1989
01:21:33,190 --> 01:21:30,980
what's going on on YouTube on my youtube

1990
01:21:35,290 --> 01:21:33,200
channel which is the technical intuition

1991
01:21:37,480 --> 01:21:35,300
YouTube channel is my video on how to

1992
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:37,490
learn remote viewing in less than 20

1993
01:21:41,980 --> 01:21:40,010
minutes is blowing up I mean there's

1994
01:21:44,770 --> 01:21:41,990
hundreds of people who are posting

1995
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:44,780
comments tens of thousands of new views

1996
01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:46,850
of people going I tried it and I can't

1997
01:21:50,110 --> 01:21:48,320
believe I did it or then you have people

1998
01:21:51,940 --> 01:21:50,120
I tried it and I missed horribly no I'm

1999
01:21:53,380 --> 01:21:51,950
like well yeah that's that's you know

2000
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:53,390
not everyone's gonna have the first time

2001
01:21:57,340 --> 01:21:55,250
or experience but it's so cool to kind

2002
01:21:59,080 --> 01:21:57,350
of watch to kind of see this happen all

2003
01:22:02,560 --> 01:21:59,090
at the same time and and hey you know be

2004
01:22:06,460 --> 01:22:02,570
a little part of it yeah and some people

2005
01:22:08,860 --> 01:22:06,470
who are total lemons they're I think

2006
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:08,870
everybody it's like playing the piano

2007
01:22:12,340 --> 01:22:10,490
that's the way you gotta look at it like

2008
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:12,350
something might be able to take classes

2009
01:22:16,450 --> 01:22:14,690
for six months you know you can learn

2010
01:22:18,730 --> 01:22:16,460
the keys you can learn sort of how to

2011
01:22:21,340 --> 01:22:18,740
carry a tune but you may never play a

2012
01:22:23,530 --> 01:22:21,350
Carnegie Hall you know but somebody else

2013
01:22:25,210 --> 01:22:23,540
maybe Mozart you know and and maybe

2014
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:25,220
Mozart's one-in-a-million but but the

2015
01:22:29,890 --> 01:22:27,290
you know the the thing is like you asked

2016
01:22:31,780 --> 01:22:29,900
me about my UFO experiences and and and

2017
01:22:33,610 --> 01:22:31,790
you know I had precognitive experiences

2018
01:22:36,100 --> 01:22:33,620
I had caught a lot of contacts through

2019
01:22:39,300 --> 01:22:36,110
dream state and through meditation and

2020
01:22:41,370 --> 01:22:39,310
in things like that and

2021
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:41,380
what it taught me is that I mean

2022
01:22:44,820 --> 01:22:42,880
initially I really would reject that

2023
01:22:46,260 --> 01:22:44,830
stuff I would say oh I must be crazy I'm

2024
01:22:47,550 --> 01:22:46,270
just imagining this or that you know

2025
01:22:50,220 --> 01:22:47,560
this can't be right

2026
01:22:54,690 --> 01:22:50,230
but but it's but what I finally came to

2027
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:54,700
was that you can only sort of accept who

2028
01:22:57,870 --> 01:22:56,530
you are by looking at yourself like you

2029
01:22:59,010 --> 01:22:57,880
you have to like look inside yourself

2030
01:23:02,070 --> 01:22:59,020
and go okay so what do I really think

2031
01:23:04,500 --> 01:23:02,080
about this and it's the guy who says I'm

2032
01:23:06,810 --> 01:23:04,510
not crazy I know everything the world

2033
01:23:08,490 --> 01:23:06,820
will be ending tomorrow that guy you got

2034
01:23:12,060 --> 01:23:08,500
to watch out for because he's crazy you

2035
01:23:14,070 --> 01:23:12,070
know because because so much of this is

2036
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:14,080
about checking yourself and saying okay

2037
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:16,330
I'm grounded in my reality yet there is

2038
01:23:19,620 --> 01:23:17,890
this unexplainable thing that has

2039
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:19,630
happened I'm know I'm I don't think I'm

2040
01:23:23,220 --> 01:23:21,850
crazy I might be well if you if you're

2041
01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:23,230
if you're asking yourself those

2042
01:23:27,480 --> 01:23:25,510
questions that's human that's normal

2043
01:23:29,460 --> 01:23:27,490
that's natural but it's unexplainable

2044
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:29,470
and unexplainable things happen you know

2045
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:31,840
and and and so it's the person who can

2046
01:23:35,340 --> 01:23:33,250
kind of get beyond that and go okay I'm

2047
01:23:36,810 --> 01:23:35,350
gonna be very detached about this you

2048
01:23:38,940 --> 01:23:36,820
know Carl Jung did that you know they

2049
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:38,950
just released the red book like in 2012

2050
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:40,960
which was all of his sort of musings

2051
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:43,930
about going crazy you know in predicting

2052
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:45,730
World War one before it happened you

2053
01:23:49,860 --> 01:23:47,290
know but as a psychiatrist he was able

2054
01:23:53,220 --> 01:23:49,870
to to document all of that and and

2055
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:53,230
document his precognition and and and we

2056
01:23:56,850 --> 01:23:55,690
have you know Carl Jung as a result you

2057
01:24:00,300 --> 01:23:56,860
know because he had a great career after

2058
01:24:03,900 --> 01:24:00,310
that but in them in the laboratory and

2059
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:03,910
in our film you know Russell would

2060
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:07,090
constantly be bombarded by you know

2061
01:24:10,650 --> 01:24:09,130
politicians and generals and all these

2062
01:24:13,020 --> 01:24:10,660
people that would come to the SSRI lab

2063
01:24:14,970 --> 01:24:13,030
and they would say you know I hear we're

2064
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:14,980
wasting our money on this stuff and I

2065
01:24:20,430 --> 01:24:17,050
want you to prove it to me and then and

2066
01:24:21,690 --> 01:24:20,440
then Russell would say well we're not

2067
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:21,700
going to show you a remote viewing

2068
01:24:27,540 --> 01:24:24,250
because you won't believe it even if you

2069
01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:27,550
see it you have to experience a remote

2070
01:24:29,970 --> 01:24:28,000
viewing

2071
01:24:31,230 --> 01:24:29,980
so go ahead sit down in the chair we're

2072
01:24:35,700 --> 01:24:31,240
gonna make you the remote viewer today

2073
01:24:37,380 --> 01:24:35,710
and and he told me a story it's in the

2074
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:37,390
film you know there was there was the

2075
01:24:42,570 --> 01:24:39,010
secretary under secretary of defense

2076
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:42,580
walter Laberge at the time shows up on

2077
01:24:47,070 --> 01:24:45,490
SSRIs front lawn in a helicopter you

2078
01:24:48,420 --> 01:24:47,080
know completely like blowing their cover

2079
01:24:51,060 --> 01:24:48,430
because they shouldn't have been doing

2080
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:51,070
this and and you know he gets out and he

2081
01:24:53,070 --> 01:24:52,000
says you know I heard you guys are

2082
01:24:54,780 --> 01:24:53,080
wasting our money

2083
01:24:57,660 --> 01:24:54,790
I want to see what you're doing they

2084
01:24:59,490 --> 01:24:57,670
made him the remote viewer and he says

2085
01:25:01,050 --> 01:24:59,500
oh this is ridiculous I can't do this

2086
01:25:03,900 --> 01:25:01,060
you know they said just close your eyes

2087
01:25:06,650 --> 01:25:03,910
and imagine where you know your your

2088
01:25:09,480 --> 01:25:06,660
attache is is hiding and the guy

2089
01:25:11,370 --> 01:25:09,490
basically made up a bunch of stuff close

2090
01:25:13,590 --> 01:25:11,380
his eyes and and it turns out that it

2091
01:25:15,300 --> 01:25:13,600
was exactly correct he completely

2092
01:25:17,340 --> 01:25:15,310
correctly predicted where the attache

2093
01:25:20,450 --> 01:25:17,350
would be hiding and and then the guy

2094
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:20,460
became their biggest booster you know so

2095
01:25:26,220 --> 01:25:23,650
with all of this kind of stuff it all

2096
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:26,230
boils down to personal experience you

2097
01:25:31,890 --> 01:25:28,690
know it's like I can tell you this again

2098
01:25:34,380 --> 01:25:31,900
and again and again but it doesn't make

2099
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:34,390
it real for you unless you can

2100
01:25:38,490 --> 01:25:36,730
internalize it yourself through actual

2101
01:25:40,140 --> 01:25:38,500
experience you know and and and in a

2102
01:25:41,970 --> 01:25:40,150
sense that's kind of what our film does

2103
01:25:43,530 --> 01:25:41,980
because even though it's not actual

2104
01:25:45,710 --> 01:25:43,540
first-hand experience it's like you

2105
01:25:48,450 --> 01:25:45,720
you're it sort of feels like it because

2106
01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:48,460
you're with me holding a camera as I'm

2107
01:25:52,370 --> 01:25:50,320
looking at somebody actually doing it

2108
01:25:54,450 --> 01:25:52,380
and you know we went to irva the

2109
01:25:56,700 --> 01:25:54,460
International remote viewers Association

2110
01:25:58,920 --> 01:25:56,710
and I had never seen a remote viewing

2111
01:26:00,150 --> 01:25:58,930
before at that time and and I was very

2112
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:00,160
nervous about it because I thought oh my

2113
01:26:04,410 --> 01:26:02,770
gosh what if nobody does anything you

2114
01:26:06,150 --> 01:26:04,420
know and this is here I'm making the

2115
01:26:07,470 --> 01:26:06,160
documentary I'm gonna be unbiased about

2116
01:26:10,830 --> 01:26:07,480
it I'm gonna put it in the documentary

2117
01:26:12,270 --> 01:26:10,840
and I don't want to you know you know

2118
01:26:14,150 --> 01:26:12,280
completely fall flat on my face with

2119
01:26:17,850 --> 01:26:14,160
this but this is what I'm doing and

2120
01:26:18,530 --> 01:26:17,860
literally I think it was 80% of the

2121
01:26:21,870 --> 01:26:18,540
audience

2122
01:26:23,460 --> 01:26:21,880
correctly identified the outbound you

2123
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:23,470
know target that they were looking at

2124
01:26:27,060 --> 01:26:24,970
you know somebody was hiding somewhere

2125
01:26:30,300 --> 01:26:27,070
in Vegas and probably an audience of

2126
01:26:31,770 --> 01:26:30,310
about 150 people and and and I'm sitting

2127
01:26:33,390 --> 01:26:31,780
there and I'm watching them do this and

2128
01:26:35,010 --> 01:26:33,400
I'm actually literally watching them as

2129
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:35,020
it happens I'm going from person to

2130
01:26:38,580 --> 01:26:36,400
person in the audience and I'm holding a

2131
01:26:42,150 --> 01:26:38,590
camera and I'm seeing people draw fish

2132
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:42,160
and draw triangles and draw like one

2133
01:26:46,500 --> 01:26:43,930
guy's drawing a fountain with coins at

2134
01:26:48,780 --> 01:26:46,510
the bottom you know and we're in Vegas

2135
01:26:52,230 --> 01:26:48,790
so you think they would be drawing slot

2136
01:26:53,730 --> 01:26:52,240
machines but they didn't they they they

2137
01:26:56,310 --> 01:26:53,740
were drawing all of this like waterfalls

2138
01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:56,320
and stuff and then the guy gets back and

2139
01:27:00,060 --> 01:26:57,970
he was I had him wearing a GoPro and

2140
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:00,070
they play the footage on the big screen

2141
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:02,290
and for the audience and it was an

2142
01:27:06,250 --> 01:27:04,210
indoor waterfall with a coin mountain

2143
01:27:08,049 --> 01:27:06,260
mountain and triangular

2144
01:27:11,049 --> 01:27:08,059
windows in a glass ceiling and fish

2145
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:11,059
tanks everywhere and and I was stunned

2146
01:27:15,729 --> 01:27:13,010
that was the first time I had ever seen

2147
01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:15,739
something like that you know and and I

2148
01:27:20,799 --> 01:27:19,280
didn't I cannot fathom how you can fake

2149
01:27:23,649 --> 01:27:20,809
something like that because it's not

2150
01:27:26,379 --> 01:27:23,659
judging it's not you know I'm with I'm

2151
01:27:27,879 --> 01:27:26,389
witnessing it in real time and and to me

2152
01:27:29,709 --> 01:27:27,889
you know that's that's amazing have you

2153
01:27:32,529 --> 01:27:29,719
ever been to earth a breath yeah yeah I

2154
01:27:34,180 --> 01:27:32,539
was I had the ability to go last year

2155
01:27:36,220 --> 01:27:34,190
and there was really a privilege I was

2156
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:36,230
asked to partake in the outbound er

2157
01:27:38,950 --> 01:27:37,730
experiment and if for any of the

2158
01:27:41,109 --> 01:27:38,960
listeners that don't know what that is

2159
01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:41,119
an outbound or experiment very simply is

2160
01:27:44,979 --> 01:27:43,280
you have a person that no one knows

2161
01:27:46,419 --> 01:27:44,989
where they get going and even the person

2162
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:46,429
doesn't know where they're going it's

2163
01:27:51,790 --> 01:27:49,010
just in a sealed envelope hopped in a

2164
01:27:54,189 --> 01:27:51,800
car we went somewhere in Vedas in Vegas

2165
01:27:56,020 --> 01:27:54,199
and the goal of everyone in the audience

2166
01:27:58,899 --> 01:27:56,030
is to describe the location that we're

2167
01:28:02,859 --> 01:27:58,909
at once we arrived and we ended up at

2168
01:28:04,779 --> 01:28:02,869
the it was a roundabout in this rental

2169
01:28:06,669 --> 01:28:04,789
facility for these large trucks like

2170
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:06,679
bulldozers and things like that

2171
01:28:11,799 --> 01:28:10,250
and so there's definitely a lot we came

2172
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:11,809
back we described you know I took the

2173
01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:13,489
video for everyone to watch of what was

2174
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:15,920
there you know the gravel the cement the

2175
01:28:19,540 --> 01:28:17,449
big building and all that kind of stuff

2176
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:19,550
but the funny story I have actually

2177
01:28:25,089 --> 01:28:20,960
about that particular out pounder

2178
01:28:26,919 --> 01:28:25,099
experiment is my friend and well two of

2179
01:28:28,990 --> 01:28:26,929
my friends had this funny little idea

2180
01:28:30,129 --> 01:28:29,000
where they said during the remote

2181
01:28:32,109 --> 01:28:30,139
viewing they were gonna try what's

2182
01:28:34,689 --> 01:28:32,119
referred to as remote influencing as a

2183
01:28:35,740 --> 01:28:34,699
joke they put it this is something a

2184
01:28:37,689 --> 01:28:35,750
little bit different than mowing but

2185
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:37,699
it's associated in the remote viewing

2186
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:39,530
actually outbound her experience they

2187
01:28:43,299 --> 01:28:41,090
decided they're going to repeat this

2188
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:43,309
idea in their mind of squirrel squirrel

2189
01:28:48,459 --> 01:28:45,650
squirrel squirrel thinking about the

2190
01:28:50,379 --> 01:28:48,469
location the entire time these like you

2191
01:28:54,129 --> 01:28:50,389
know hundreds of people are remote

2192
01:28:55,450 --> 01:28:54,139
viewing where we go and I kid you not

2193
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:55,460
it's like I don't know if it's not

2194
01:28:58,660 --> 01:28:56,690
actually one of the courting but when

2195
01:29:01,149 --> 01:28:58,670
you get back we're kind of the audience

2196
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:01,159
is asking it was Pam Coronado who's a

2197
01:29:05,410 --> 01:29:03,170
fantastic remote viewer and psychic I

2198
01:29:07,209 --> 01:29:05,420
was she and I went to the site the

2199
01:29:08,410 --> 01:29:07,219
audience was asking us about it kind of

2200
01:29:09,459 --> 01:29:08,420
trying to describe what was like being

2201
01:29:13,330 --> 01:29:09,469
there to see if it matched their work

2202
01:29:15,310 --> 01:29:13,340
and one lady stood up and said in front

2203
01:29:17,709 --> 01:29:15,320
of everybody you know I just got the

2204
01:29:20,089 --> 01:29:17,719
idea that there might be a squirrel girl

2205
01:29:24,770 --> 01:29:20,099
there did you see any squirrels and I

2206
01:29:26,540 --> 01:29:24,780
I could but to buy both my friends in

2207
01:29:30,020 --> 01:29:26,550
the very back of the room raised their

2208
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:30,030
hands like yes it was I mean

2209
01:29:34,009 --> 01:29:32,489
consciousness is a funny thing it's it

2210
01:29:36,020 --> 01:29:34,019
can be it can be really fun to play

2211
01:29:37,839 --> 01:29:36,030
around with really can what you just

2212
01:29:40,250 --> 01:29:37,849
stumbled across I think is a

2213
01:29:42,290 --> 01:29:40,260
counterintelligence tool you know

2214
01:29:43,819 --> 01:29:42,300
because you know skip Atwater and Joe

2215
01:29:45,500 --> 01:29:43,829
mcmoneagle and some of these guys that

2216
01:29:46,819 --> 01:29:45,510
were in the army remote viewing program

2217
01:29:49,069 --> 01:29:46,829
a lot of the time what they were doing

2218
01:29:50,540 --> 01:29:49,079
was not outbound remote viewing and

2219
01:29:51,889 --> 01:29:50,550
trying to look at Soviet targets they

2220
01:29:56,029 --> 01:29:51,899
were actually trying to figure out ways

2221
01:30:00,199 --> 01:29:56,039
to protect US intelligence from you know

2222
01:30:01,310 --> 01:30:00,209
remote viewers in Russia and and one of

2223
01:30:02,779 --> 01:30:01,320
the things that they would do was they

2224
01:30:05,149 --> 01:30:02,789
would they would sort of put silly

2225
01:30:06,409 --> 01:30:05,159
things around like I'm a nuclear missile

2226
01:30:07,790 --> 01:30:06,419
silo like you know like let's say

2227
01:30:09,770 --> 01:30:07,800
there's a secret project going on in a

2228
01:30:12,049 --> 01:30:09,780
silo they'll put you know balloons and

2229
01:30:13,819 --> 01:30:12,059
Mickey Mouse posters and all this weird

2230
01:30:15,319 --> 01:30:13,829
stuff around you know but but another

2231
01:30:17,419 --> 01:30:15,329
thing that I heard from another more

2232
01:30:19,669 --> 01:30:17,429
contemporary remote reviewer is that you

2233
01:30:22,939 --> 01:30:19,679
can sort of screw up somebody's remote

2234
01:30:25,279 --> 01:30:22,949
viewing bye-bye if you know the target

2235
01:30:27,529 --> 01:30:25,289
identifier and and you think silly

2236
01:30:29,569 --> 01:30:27,539
thoughts or you you target them on some

2237
01:30:31,129 --> 01:30:29,579
you know scary thing like a volcano or

2238
01:30:32,389 --> 01:30:31,139
something that you know then you start

2239
01:30:35,330 --> 01:30:32,399
getting all these remote viewers coming

2240
01:30:37,879 --> 01:30:35,340
back with both targets you know and

2241
01:30:40,339 --> 01:30:37,889
they're looking at both things and what

2242
01:30:41,929 --> 01:30:40,349
what does that say about us as human

2243
01:30:45,049 --> 01:30:41,939
beings it's like we're we're sort of

2244
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:45,059
like viral creatures that pick up on

2245
01:30:48,529 --> 01:30:47,010
each other's ideas and thoughts I mean

2246
01:30:50,330 --> 01:30:48,539
it's the reason that you had the radio

2247
01:30:52,759 --> 01:30:50,340
invented on two different continents

2248
01:30:54,709 --> 01:30:52,769
within days you know the airplane was

2249
01:30:57,349 --> 01:30:54,719
being worked on in multiple times you

2250
01:30:59,719 --> 01:30:57,359
know and it's almost like an idea just

2251
01:31:01,129 --> 01:30:59,729
goes out into the ethers and if you have

2252
01:31:02,839 --> 01:31:01,139
your antennas pointing the right way you

2253
01:31:05,359 --> 01:31:02,849
can just pick it up and you can pull it

2254
01:31:07,609 --> 01:31:05,369
down into your reality certainly just

2255
01:31:09,469 --> 01:31:07,619
like you said it can be used as a like a

2256
01:31:10,939 --> 01:31:09,479
misdirect as well and they've learned

2257
01:31:12,859 --> 01:31:10,949
that in the remote viewing research as

2258
01:31:14,779 --> 01:31:12,869
well this was in there in your film when

2259
01:31:16,779 --> 01:31:14,789
you talked about the virginia

2260
01:31:19,250 --> 01:31:16,789
underground NSA facility that was

2261
01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:19,260
accidentally remove you'd and it caused

2262
01:31:22,819 --> 01:31:21,840
just absolute chaos in the intelligence

2263
01:31:24,409 --> 01:31:22,829
community because they thought there was

2264
01:31:25,849 --> 01:31:24,419
a leak they'll watch the film if you

2265
01:31:28,699 --> 01:31:25,859
wanna learn more about that for sure but

2266
01:31:30,529 --> 01:31:28,709
it's essentially it was this novelty

2267
01:31:32,270 --> 01:31:30,539
factor of something being secret and

2268
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:32,280
it's like this is something that Ingo

2269
01:31:36,229 --> 01:31:34,050
was really sure

2270
01:31:38,419 --> 01:31:36,239
go for his one the physicists I was like

2271
01:31:39,799 --> 01:31:38,429
there's a personal target I think where

2272
01:31:41,959 --> 01:31:39,809
is that the harder he believed the

2273
01:31:45,169 --> 01:31:41,969
harder you try and hide something to a

2274
01:31:46,430 --> 01:31:45,179
remote viewer the more it stands out and

2275
01:31:49,310 --> 01:31:46,440
so it's like there's something about our

2276
01:31:50,899 --> 01:31:49,320
consciousness wanting to know it's like

2277
01:31:52,220 --> 01:31:50,909
ooh what'swhat's this thing this is this

2278
01:31:53,810 --> 01:31:52,230
is really interesting over here and

2279
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:53,820
that's where it goes like a magnet

2280
01:31:58,010 --> 01:31:55,290
if I leave you know it's a chat I'll

2281
01:32:00,439 --> 01:31:58,020
even take that even one step further you

2282
01:32:01,970 --> 01:32:00,449
know it's harder to see in the present

2283
01:32:04,819 --> 01:32:01,980
moment than it is to see either the

2284
01:32:07,819 --> 01:32:04,829
future or the past if something really

2285
01:32:10,700 --> 01:32:07,829
big is is happening but it also suggests

2286
01:32:12,770 --> 01:32:10,710
that like a lot of times anytime you

2287
01:32:14,270 --> 01:32:12,780
hear a psychic give you some massive

2288
01:32:16,010 --> 01:32:14,280
prediction about destruction in the

2289
01:32:18,229 --> 01:32:16,020
future it's been wrong right because

2290
01:32:19,459 --> 01:32:18,239
we're still here right and the comic

2291
01:32:21,319 --> 01:32:19,469
didn't hit the volcano didn't blow up

2292
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:21,329
the nukes didn't happen we're still here

2293
01:32:26,689 --> 01:32:23,610
and if I can close on something it's

2294
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:26,699
it's that you don't have to be scared of

2295
01:32:31,069 --> 01:32:29,040
this skill everybody has it it's an

2296
01:32:33,410 --> 01:32:31,079
intuitive ability that we all share and

2297
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:33,420
and it's just part of being human it's

2298
01:32:38,629 --> 01:32:36,210
not it's not a scary thing and and the

2299
01:32:40,879 --> 01:32:38,639
more the sort of the further out you

2300
01:32:43,790 --> 01:32:40,889
look and and sort of the bigger you get

2301
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:43,800
with the disastrous predictions time and

2302
01:32:46,970 --> 01:32:45,210
time again it's proven through history

2303
01:32:49,580 --> 01:32:46,980
that that like when the don't Radames

2304
01:32:51,919 --> 01:32:49,590
says something or at your KC it's never

2305
01:32:53,660 --> 01:32:51,929
as bad as they predicted and I think

2306
01:32:56,990 --> 01:32:53,670
that's because your own consciousness

2307
01:32:58,220 --> 01:32:57,000
has a say in that outcome you know it's

2308
01:33:00,649 --> 01:32:58,230
like we're living in this like

2309
01:33:03,410 --> 01:33:00,659
holographic universe and and we're all

2310
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:03,420
sort of like experiencing reality

2311
01:33:06,979 --> 01:33:05,130
simultaneously and I get to choose if I

2312
01:33:09,319 --> 01:33:06,989
go to the left prediction or the right

2313
01:33:11,959 --> 01:33:09,329
prediction and and so don't worry about

2314
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:11,969
this just watch the film third eye spies

2315
01:33:16,069 --> 01:33:14,489
it's it's coming it's actually here it's

2316
01:33:17,959 --> 01:33:16,079
number four eye we need to get this to

2317
01:33:20,060 --> 01:33:17,969
number one so that people will see this

2318
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:20,070
this movie and they'll and it'll get out

2319
01:33:24,290 --> 01:33:21,570
there and and I really think it will

2320
01:33:26,030 --> 01:33:24,300
open people's minds up to their own

2321
01:33:28,010 --> 01:33:26,040
capabilities and I think that's the

2322
01:33:30,109 --> 01:33:28,020
reason that I made the film all right

2323
01:33:32,629 --> 01:33:30,119
we're almost at the end of the program

2324
01:33:35,149 --> 01:33:32,639
so I want to give our guests a chance to

2325
01:33:36,709 --> 01:33:35,159
let our listeners know more about where

2326
01:33:39,950 --> 01:33:36,719
they can find them online Brett let's

2327
01:33:41,899 --> 01:33:39,960
start with you sure you can find me on

2328
01:33:43,879 --> 01:33:41,909
my website that's technical intuition

2329
01:33:45,649 --> 01:33:43,889
comm that's where I have a number of

2330
01:33:47,180 --> 01:33:45,659
different introductory video remote

2331
01:33:49,850 --> 01:33:47,190
viewing classes you can

2332
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:49,860
also find me on YouTube my youtube

2333
01:33:54,290 --> 01:33:52,170
channel name is technical intuition as

2334
01:33:56,750 --> 01:33:54,300
well and then just the other social

2335
01:34:00,530 --> 01:33:56,760
media you have at B Stewart RV on

2336
01:34:01,610 --> 01:34:00,540
Twitter Facebook and Instagram so yeah

2337
01:34:03,770 --> 01:34:01,620
and if you're interested in learning

2338
01:34:06,770 --> 01:34:03,780
remote viewing check out my website and

2339
01:34:08,780 --> 01:34:06,780
if you're interested in a coaching I do

2340
01:34:10,540 --> 01:34:08,790
that as well so check me on the website

2341
01:34:13,189 --> 01:34:10,550
yeah you can contact me through there

2342
01:34:15,140 --> 01:34:13,199
alright and Lance what about you well

2343
01:34:17,990 --> 01:34:15,150
first of all the movie is called third

2344
01:34:20,990 --> 01:34:18,000
eye spies and it is available now across

2345
01:34:23,300 --> 01:34:21,000
all digital platforms and cable services

2346
01:34:25,910 --> 01:34:23,310
worldwide we're in over sixty million

2347
01:34:27,709 --> 01:34:25,920
households right now with this film so

2348
01:34:30,410 --> 01:34:27,719
you can turn on your your time warner

2349
01:34:32,689 --> 01:34:30,420
cable's spectrum Verizon you can go to

2350
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:32,699
amazon.com and type in third eye spies

2351
01:34:36,830 --> 01:34:34,890
you can go to iTunes look on the

2352
01:34:38,660 --> 01:34:36,840
documentary charts or just type in third

2353
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:38,670
eye spy as it will come up if you buy it

2354
01:34:43,250 --> 01:34:40,250
on iTunes there's eight different

2355
01:34:44,810 --> 01:34:43,260
professionally done extras that are in

2356
01:34:46,310 --> 01:34:44,820
addition to the film you know including

2357
01:34:48,590 --> 01:34:46,320
the 20 minute documentary about the

2358
01:34:50,300 --> 01:34:48,600
gamblers that I was telling you so just

2359
01:34:52,490 --> 01:34:50,310
and if you see the movie please write a

2360
01:34:54,229 --> 01:34:52,500
review because because the reviews are

2361
01:34:56,900 --> 01:34:54,239
so important because they get new people

2362
01:35:01,040 --> 01:34:56,910
to look at this subject my YouTube page

2363
01:35:04,939 --> 01:35:01,050
is Lance Madea or youtube.com waking

2364
01:35:07,490 --> 01:35:04,949
universe the TV waking universe TV on

2365
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:07,500
YouTube and I have tons and tons of

2366
01:35:11,420 --> 01:35:09,330
extras on there there's a contemporary

2367
01:35:13,850 --> 01:35:11,430
remote viewing that we just did we put

2368
01:35:15,170 --> 01:35:13,860
up there the other day a lot of stuff is

2369
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:15,180
gonna be coming online on my youtube

2370
01:35:20,330 --> 01:35:17,520
page or you can go to 3rd eye spies comm

2371
01:35:21,620 --> 01:35:20,340
and sign up to get updates about what's

2372
01:35:23,450 --> 01:35:21,630
going on with the film we want to get

2373
01:35:25,459 --> 01:35:23,460
this on broadcast it may have a

2374
01:35:28,010 --> 01:35:25,469
theatrical release in April there's a

2375
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:28,020
lot coming up what right wonderful

2376
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:30,810
it's good good to hear any any like

2377
01:35:37,340 --> 01:35:33,840
whenever any project like this makes it

2378
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:37,350
outside of the local media to get some

2379
01:35:42,170 --> 01:35:39,930
you know a national coverage it's a

2380
01:35:47,870 --> 01:35:42,180
wonderful thing and we support that

2381
01:35:50,510 --> 01:35:47,880
immensely we enjoyed we enjoyed doing

2382
01:35:54,050 --> 01:35:50,520
the the program and and we love the

2383
01:35:56,450 --> 01:35:54,060
subject and also to visit our youtube

2384
01:36:00,650 --> 01:35:56,460
page mr. UFO secret files this will be

2385
01:36:02,570 --> 01:36:00,660
up there Oh in a little while

2386
01:36:05,150 --> 01:36:02,580
Peter's uh I know got some heavy

2387
01:36:08,210 --> 01:36:05,160
projects he's working on our producer

2388
01:36:09,830 --> 01:36:08,220
there on YouTube but you know it'll be

2389
01:36:12,050 --> 01:36:09,840
up to eventually and of course we have

2390
01:36:14,690 --> 01:36:12,060
the archives here at kco our radio.com

2391
01:36:16,700 --> 01:36:14,700
and kena want to thank you and Tim of

2392
01:36:19,370 --> 01:36:16,710
course thank you and behave well out

2393
01:36:26,310 --> 01:36:19,380
there in Jasper Indiana alright thanks

2394
01:36:33,130 --> 01:36:29,140
you've been listening to exploring the

2395
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:33,140
bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley and to

2396
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:36,410
Swartz they're taking back the night by

2397
01:36:41,860 --> 01:36:39,290
jetting non-stop across the cosmos in

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